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Mulvaney claiming Trump has compromised now by moving from wanting a concrete wall to metal fencing is lol ridiculous.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4...mpression=true

Mulvaney acts like this is a brand new shift by Trump in the spirit of compromise and not the same dumb nonsense he was talking about pre shutdown.

I just watch Mulvaney on Tapper’s show and Tapper should be embarrassed. That was an awful interview. He let Mulvaney lie constantly and never challenged him at all.

01-06-2019 , 11:00 AM

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01-06-2019 , 11:28 AM

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WITCH HUNT!

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01-06-2019 , 11:30 AM

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This is just crazy. If you really got everything in eye’s post you would be nuts not to trade the wall.

Maybe so

But **** that smug treasonous piece of ****

I also know it’s not a real offer. I don’t think any of you know just how deep my hatred is

I’m too old and lazy to do anything. So I just sit with my white hot rage and yell and right wingers on Facebook.

01-06-2019 , 11:32 AM

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Expect in 4 months when we leave Syria and Afghanistan

01-06-2019 , 11:40 AM

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99%? site or ban.

01-06-2019 , 11:48 AM

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Lol Bolton. We defeated ISIS already idiot. Trump knows ISIS better than the generals.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8713931.html

01-06-2019 , 11:52 AM

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This is the world we live in. The government is shutdown because trump was too stupid to remember his stump speech.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...migration.html

Can you imagine being Avwal, Sklansky or Mason at this point.

01-06-2019 , 11:58 AM

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These “impeach the mother****er” and AOC dancing controversies are the most distilled examples of what is wrong with American media I’ve seen in some time.

I must have seen both more than 100 times across every major news outlet I follow.

So far every Sunday show has had a segment on them.

Who actually opposed dancing other than twitter user q_anon_69 or whatever? Is it a totally manufactured controversy a la Merry Christmas or am I missing a wider right wing revulsion with dancing?

01-06-2019 , 12:01 PM

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Who actually opposed dancing other than twitter user q_anon_69 or whatever? Is it a totally manufactured controversy a la Merry Christmas or am I missing a wider right wing revulsion with dancing?

Exactly my point. It’s a nothing story yet I’ve seen it on every major news source I follow.

01-06-2019 , 12:04 PM

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it's all good, pelosi nailed it above because she's sharp and knows how all this stuff plays out, but the empress has now spoken-

/discussion

01-06-2019 , 12:13 PM

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That has ~nothing to do with the discussion. The argument is whether you would give 5B in wall funding in exchange for Dream Act like protections for Dreamers. I guess "+ end the shutdown" is a small bonus, but the shutdown is not necessary for the hypothetical. If you wouldn't give 5B out of spite, allowing thousands of Dreamers to be deported when you had the power to stop it, you're a ****ing PoS. The end.

01-06-2019 , 12:16 PM

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And anyone who disagrees with you is also a ****ing POS? Win/win...

Edited: Perhaps a better way to say that is, and there is no reason but spite to not give Trump his wall...

01-06-2019 , 12:18 PM

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THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES. Why has no journalist ever called out Mulvaney or Sanders or any of these other clowns who have to try to rationalize Trump's complete incoherence on policy? Trump makes up **** and then they have to make up **** so that Trump doesn't look bad.

01-06-2019 , 12:23 PM

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Exactly my point. It’s a nothing story yet I’ve seen it on every major news source I follow.

This is correct. Tlaib story is worse, in that Dem politicians are getting baited into condemning her incivility or whatever, which is either pathetically stupid or an inexcusable betrayal. Media is incurably terrible, but politicians should be able to do better.

01-06-2019 , 12:25 PM

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And anyone who disagrees with you is also a ****ing POS? Win/win...

Edited: Perhaps a better way to say that is, and there is no reason but spite to not give Trump his wall...

So far the arguments have been, paraphrasing, "because **** Trump and his stupid ****ing wall, shove it up his fat ass" (spite) and some argument about symbolism which has merit, but I think Noze said it best with his "peak white people" post. Surely the argument cannot be that the wall is an impractical boondoggle, unless you would also not agree to set 5B on fire to protect the Dreamers, which I think any morally right person would. Feel free to lay out the case beyond these arguments.

01-06-2019 , 12:32 PM

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No need to repost my argument again but it’s very odd saying that caring about 55 million Hispanic’s is “peak white people”?

01-06-2019 , 12:34 PM

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The final point that I see made is it's a pointless hypothetical that will never happen. I think that's a pretty narrow view. First of all it has happened that Trump asked for wall funding in exchange for Dreamer protections, and that was when he had much more leverage in negotiations (last summer I believe). Second of all, it's pretty easy to see a longterm shutdown going badly for his polls + donors phoning him furious at what it's doing to the markets, and so he will need a way out, but can never give up the fact that he drew a hard line about the wall, therefore starts offering concessions.

01-06-2019 , 12:36 PM

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No need to repost my argument again but it’s very odd saying that caring about 55 million Hispanic’s is “peak white people”?

Jfc this is so dumb. You're talking about the minor symbolic irritant to some Hispanics versus actual lives being ruined, families torn apart.

01-06-2019 , 12:36 PM

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Like I said. You also can’t take the government shut down out of it, because that’s where the leverage comes from. Thinking this deal happens otherwise is just wishful thinking.

Bottom line, you are willing to let progress be made on something absolutely racist and reprehensible in order to further your political agenda and I am not. The ends don’t justify the means.

01-06-2019 , 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

That has ~nothing to do with the discussion. The argument is whether you would give 5B in wall funding in exchange for Dream Act like protections for Dreamers. I guess "+ end the shutdown" is a small bonus, but the shutdown is not necessary for the hypothetical. If you wouldn't give 5B out of spite, allowing thousands of Dreamers to be deported when you had the power to stop it, you're a ****ing PoS. The end.

you know this discussion about hypothetical wall/m4a/daca negotiations started and is being done IN THE CONTEXT OF A GOVT SHUTDOWN AS A MEANS OF ENDING IT, right?

jfc, you can't just completely remove the main component of this whole argument

01-06-2019 , 12:40 PM

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No need to repost my argument again but it’s very odd saying that strolling up to the plate and casually speaking on behalf of 55 million Hispanic’s is “peak white people”?

01-06-2019 , 12:40 PM

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Jfc this is so dumb. You're talking about the minor symbolic irritant to some Hispanics versus actual lives being ruined, families torn apart.

That is where we disagree. I don’t see the construction of a 2,000 mile wall, motivated purely out of racism and xenophobia, as a minor irritant.

Every Hispanic person on earth knows what the wall means and it will say for generations “you are not welcome and you are most certainly not fully American”.

I don’t see how this is any different than the argument the left made with gay marriage, non-binary gender and pronouns, and our rage against there being “good people on both sides”.

Democracy is based on citizenship and symbols of that citizenship matter.