This is a pretty interesting way to think about narcissism generally, although it undersells Trump's sincere racism.

Days on end? We had to open a second thread to contain all the dumbass babbling. Like we're not at omg omg omg levels yet but we'll get there.

The only deal to offer, albeit in bad faith, is for trump to resign in exchange for so called wall funding. He can claim to accept the deal for the benefit of the Country's (border) security. This is obv impossible, as is any other reasonable deal with trump/GOP.

This is actually quite a good one. Hilary is completely superfluous and ruins it a bit but at least he refrained from labeling her.

Maddow was pure fire last night connecting the dots between Trump and Russia in the wake of Trump's retconning of USSR's invasion of Afghanistan, go watch if you haven't.

This would be spectacular because even Pence would be like "nahhhh, wall is mega dumb" two days after being sworn in, and earmark the $$ for something else.

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https://twitter.com/RepCohen/status/1081190192046882816

Oh rep you so mean you gonna make people cry again

i just dont understand why everybody is so enamored with the prospect of offering up and discussing a bunch of insane pipe dream hypotheticals like TRUMP IS GONNA GIVE US MEDICARE FOR ALL IN EXCHANGE FOR 1/5 OF BORDER WALL FUNDING

like shut the **** up, seriously. stupid. all you're doing is muddying the discourse and distracting from the fact that GOP has no leverage here

Personally I'd like to live in a world where maybe one whole progressive policy becomes reality in my lifetime. Because at 37 there have been zero. Thinking we ever get their in our lifetimes without some dealmaking or cunning political moves is absurd. We arent likely to have a majority of progressives in both chambers and the white house. What are we at now 20% or so?

So hate away but i would be doing everything I could to make whatever i could happen instead of just trying to look principled if i was a progressive congressperson. You guys love to beat off to Rachel Maddow but she accomplishes basically nothing in the real world. Meanwhile the Republicans are in the trenches winning the war for the last 40 years.

Eta- lol at the republicans have no leverage argument while calling us dumb. Insanely wrong. Also the point isn't that Trump would accept the deals you simpleton. Its that putting them forward puts the ball in his court and gives him a chance to have his precious wall so he can't blather on and on about obstructionist dems for the next two years heading into the election while keeping the government shut down.

lol you want to bargain with a bunch of bad faith actors and you're starting in complete fantasyland

let the grownups talk

since you edited, tell me what leverage he has

-he owned the shut down, play the ****ing clip on repeat
-border wall is unpopular
-dem controlled house passed a resolution which GOP refuses to do anything with


let the trash pile up and the tax refunds and govt contractors go unpaid and GDP starts shrinking, yea that'll be really bad for dems on the heels of their 40 seat landslide im sure

That naive viewpoint is exactly why the dems never accomplish anything meaningful and have have slowly been whittled down to almost no govt. power on any level.

because they never compromised with republicans?

lol are you insane

**** your stupid ****ing wall, deep down i think you and wheatrich actually like the idea

Trump adds 2 Trillion to Deficit in last 2 years with no infrastructure is a number that is scary.

Trump's base is not going to flinch about some trash pileups or a shutdown. Most Rs want the government shut down. The people I hear crying about the shutdown are all on the left. So again your argument isn't based in reality.

you still havent explained how trump or the GOP has any leverage to negotiate here

Guys, it’s officially INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/polit...sal/index.html


On its surface, this seems good, I guess, and is something a lot of people have wanted. But considering who is proposing it, I have got to assume there is an ulterior motive, most likely trying to limit Democrats' future strength, as these dudes see what's coming. I mean, if Cruz and Perdue are proposing something, it can't be an idea that is good for America.

I dont want a wall any more than you but you are making my point for me. Dems have compromised with republicans where they get a token thing and republicans get the big thing.

Thats what the dems should do in reverse. Let baby Trump get a small thing so our side can get some real wins.

Or we can live in your world where we never get anything ever. That sounds like a good plan.

I think the point is that, yes, the GOP has no leverage but the Dems do and they should at least TRY to use it while they have it. I'm not naive enough to think it will work mind you, but at least get it out there and show leadership.

Hell, they HAVE to do this, they were literally elected to do it.

the border wall is the biggest win trump could ever hope for and you just want to hand it to him in exchange for a promise from him and the senate that they'll pass and sign progressive legislation.

lol you

Can someone give rep a Snickers.

I just explained it. Their leverage is that they don't need to. Their base isn't going anywhere and Fox News and Hannity will just bleat it is the Dems fault over and over until it is so.

You cant say "why negotiate with bad faith actors" and then try and make arguments like leverage that assign rational behavior to the same "bad faith actors". But hey keep on with the nonsensical rants. They are at least entertaining.