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03-19-2018 , 10:15 PM

#88576

simplicitus

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The Mustache guy (Ty Cobb, not the other mustache guy) is probably Trump's best lawyer, but not what I would consider a "good" lawyer. Dowd is crazy and bad, Suckalow is more of a grifter than a real litigator, the NY guy he had is, allegedly, more of a booze and threaten lawyer than a win cases lawyer.

03-19-2018 , 10:16 PM

#88577

microbet

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Capital Punishment for Drug Trafficking (yellow is under certain conditions)

03-19-2018 , 10:16 PM

#88578

SenorKeeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

I mean, he's not Michael Cohen slapstick bad, but him versus the Mueller team? The equivalent analogy would be to picture a decent High School baseball player squaring off against the NY Yankees circa early 2000's.

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

The Mustache guy (Ty Cobb, not the other mustache guy) is probably Trump's best lawyer, but not what I would consider a "good" lawyer. Dowd is crazy and bad, Suckalow is just a bad grifter, the NY guy he had is, allegedly, more of a booze and threaten lawyer than a win cases lawyer.

sounds like he's a SCRAPPY UNDERDOG

But idk, BS from Harvard, JD from Georgetown, partner at Hogan Lovells...sounds like a pretty good lawyer

03-19-2018 , 10:18 PM

#88579

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I get he didnt pay when he was a civilian but I can't imagine that's an issue now. Is he even paying the bill?

As for him being a bad client I don't see how that would stop a right leaning firm. Isn't the publicity and ability to list a POTUS as a client worth a huge amount in the legal world?

03-19-2018 , 10:19 PM

#88580

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Until recently I thought Kurt Schlichter was that Ohio State QB who had the gambling problem but then I discovered that guy is in prison and also not named Kurt

03-19-2018 , 10:23 PM

#88581

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BA from Harvard is impressive (though from the days when Harvard/Penn had an open door policy for well-heeled white guys), and Georgetown is not a bad law school, but they accept plenty of people with some issues. Many issues if someone graduated from Harvard. I had a friend who failed out of NYU, UCLA, and graduated from Georgetown. Granted, he is really smart and was only hampered by a bad drug habit and some personality issues.

Like I said, Cobb seems like perfectly fine white collar defense lawyer. So 25% of Trump's team is ok.

03-19-2018 , 10:23 PM

#88582

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

There aren't any deplorable-leaning law firms. Obviously George Bush or Mitt Romney can get whatever lawyer they want. Trump is a different story.

03-19-2018 , 10:24 PM

#88583

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They obv don't have a trump dick picture

and to anyone who's disappointed by this, WTF is wrong with you.

It's a shame so many on the internet are easily duped by the same people over and over again.

03-19-2018 , 10:25 PM

#88584

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lol you trying to tell us you wouldn't look at Trump's dick pic? GTFO

03-19-2018 , 10:29 PM

#88585

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

There aren't really many right-leaning firms these days. Maybe 4-6 in the top 50. The publicity is terrible. Clients flee and top-tier law students won't join the firm.

03-19-2018 , 10:29 PM

#88586

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If one existed it would probably get Stormy into hot water to release it with teh revenge pr0n laws and whatnot

03-19-2018 , 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

There aren't any deplorable-leaning law firms. Obviously George Bush or Mitt Romney can get whatever lawyer they want. Trump is a different story.

Yup. Should have said deplorable-leaning.

03-19-2018 , 10:30 PM

#88588

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

There aren't any deplorable-leaning law firms.

Is this true? Seems dubious to me.

03-19-2018 , 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

There aren't really many right-leaning firms these days. Maybe 4-6 in the top 50. The publicity is terrible. Clients flee and top-tier law students won't join the firm.

Is this why 99% of George Mason grads are in insurance defense?

Last edited by Namath12; 03-19-2018 at 10:31 PM. Reason: I may have made up the %

03-19-2018 , 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

There aren't really many right-leaning firms these days. Maybe 4-6 in the top 50. The publicity is terrible. Clients flee and top-tier law students won't join the firm.

Didn't see this post. Interesting. I assumed the legal field was pretty right leaning.

03-19-2018 , 10:35 PM

#88591

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There aren't really many right-leaning firms these days. Maybe 4-6 in the top 50. The publicity is terrible. Clients flee and top-tier law students won't join the firm.

Really? I figured Gorsuch's clerks and the like have to end up somewhere.

03-19-2018 , 10:36 PM

#88592

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https://twitter.com/jonlovett/status/975922427619233793

03-19-2018 , 10:37 PM

#88593

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

For the level at which are playing, his lawyers are uniformly terrible. They are that way because 1) he is bad at paying, 2) Trump's idea of what a good lawyer is isn't actually a good lawyer, 3) he lies and doesn't follow instructions, 4) he thinks he's a master legal strategist and tells his lawyers to do dumb things (e.g., Dowd saying Mueller should be fired).

Not a lawyer so correct me if wrong, but additionally--Trump is presumably screening these people almost exclusively for sycophancy, and talented people in any profession prefer to do actual interesting jobs rather than just sucking some dumbass's schlong.

03-19-2018 , 10:37 PM

#88594

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Originally Posted by Our House

For those who wanted a summary, here's one from The Washington Post: Everything you need to know about the Cambridge Analytica-Facebook debacle

This was good. Thanks.

03-19-2018 , 10:37 PM

#88595

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Melkerson

Really? I figured Gorsuch's clerks and the like have to end up somewhere.

Yeah they go to whatever big law firm they want. Or anywhere else. Then they don't ruin their reputation by defending Donald ****ing Trump and make yuge money their whole life.

03-19-2018 , 10:40 PM

#88596

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Really? I figured Gorsuch's clerks and the like have to end up somewhere.

There are some semi-conservative firms, but there are no deplorable firms. People who clerk for Gorsuch likely go through 5-10 "feeder" appellate judges (Gorsuch used to be one of them himself) to get a SCt clerkship. Probably half then go to academia. People who clerk for Roberts/Gorsuch know which fork is their salad fork.

03-19-2018 , 10:44 PM

#88597

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Probably my favorite, but I voted for a different one.

03-19-2018 , 10:49 PM

#88598

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We've got to get tough on the drug dealers ... *sniff* ... Inculding the death penalty ... *Sniff* ... They kill soo *SNIFF* many people.

Not gonna kill all the drug dealers I'm guessing.

03-19-2018 , 10:56 PM

#88599

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It's not like Trump is doing coke in the residence. He would obviously throw his former dealer under the bus.

03-19-2018 , 10:57 PM

#88600

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https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/975927292537995264

Like I said, one good lawyer.

Quote:

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s legal team was poised for a shake-up on Monday, according to two people briefed on the matter, as he openly discussed firing one of his lawyers, another considered resigning and a third — who pushed theories on television that Mr. Trump was framed by the F.B.I. — joined the roster.

Mr. Trump has weighed aloud in recent days to close associates whether to dismiss his lawyer Ty Cobb, who had pushed most strongly a strategy of cooperating fully with the special counsel investigation. The president reassured Mr. Cobb that he had no plans to fire him, according to a person who spoke with the president late Monday, in part to prevent a narrative that his team was in disarray after The New York Times began making inquiries.

Mr. Trump’s lead lawyer, John Dowd, has contemplated leaving his post because he has concluded that he has no control over the behavior of the president, the two people briefed on the matter said. Ignoring his lawyers’ advice, Mr. Trump has reverted to a more aggressive strategy of publicly assailing the inquiry that he initially adopted in the weeks immediately after the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, was appointed. Now the president has begun attacking Mr. Mueller himself.
...
Mr. Trump is also discussing adding other lawyers to the team, according to one person with knowledge of the matter.

The tumult marked the greatest instability on the team since Mr. Trump pushed aside his personal lawyer, Marc E. Kasowitz, last summer, and was passed over by many of Washington’s top lawyers before he settled on his current crop of attorneys.
....
Mr. diGenova is law partners with his wife, Victoria Toensing. She has also represented Sam Clovis, the former Trump campaign co-chairman, and Erik Prince, the founder of the security contractor Blackwater and an informal adviser to Mr. Trump. Mr. Prince also attended a meeting in January 2017 with a Russian investor in the Seychelles that the special counsel is investigating.

Ms. Toensing also represents Mark Corallo, the former spokesman for the Trump legal team who has accused one of the president’s advisers of potentially planning to obstruct justice with a statement related to a 2016 meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer who promised damaging information about Mrs. Clinton.

I don't see how the last two paragraphs are not fatal conflicts.

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