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02-22-2018 , 01:29 PM

#82601

stinkubus

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That woman regretting she didn't have her gun on her at the time provides literally zero assurance she'd be capable of using it effectively at the moment of truth.

02-22-2018 , 01:37 PM

#82602

master3004

Revisionist Historian

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 56,419

Quote:

Originally Posted by poconoder

not the only way but it can help

Remember the story of Suzanna Hupp

Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when a mass shooting took place. The gunman, George Hennard, shot 44 people in all, killing 24 of them, including himself. The fatally wounded included both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car, lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet [30 m] away in my car."

So your rebuttal to "saying 'the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun' is stupid: is a 30 year old anecdote about a single person who didnt even have a gun on them, thinks she was some crack shot who would have saved the say?

Solid evidence bro. you righties are such winners. No way to compete with that logic.

The dude blasted his way through the building with his pickup truck, got out, and immediately started shooting, killing his victims in seconds to minutes. The claim you are making is that a totally unexpectant person would have been able to recover from the sights and sounds of a ****ing truck bulldozing through glass, plaster, etc. Identify that shooting was happening, where the shooting was coming from, and who the shooting was coming from. Establish a base, and kill the assailant all while a hail of bullets was going off around her.

story ****ing checks out bro.

02-22-2018 , 01:38 PM

#82603

bigt2k4

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Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Only way to stop people from using illegal drugs is to give everyone illegal drugs.

Only way to stop bad guys using nuclear weapons is to give everyone nuclear weapons.

Only way to stop pedophilia is to give everyone an unrelated child to hang around in private.

Only way to stop propaganda/fake news is to make everyone write and make public their own views and stories

Only way to stop drunk driving is to give everyone alcohol and access to a car.

Only way to stop money laundering for criminals is to everyone access to bad Russians and their money.

It sure seems to make sense for guns, but for some reason doesn't make sense for any other crime.

02-22-2018 , 01:40 PM

#82604

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

This seems like a serious miscalculation I think the NRA itself tends to have a more negative public image than just being against gun control

02-22-2018 , 01:40 PM

#82605

d10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chippa58

Heavily armed cops do not even run toward mass shooters. At the Pulse, the police staged and staged and staged. Meantime, the gunman was calling local news channels when he wasn't shooting more people. But at a school, people imagine that brave teachers will quickly get their guns and storm the gunman despite being massively outmatched.

I dunno why everyone assumes the teachers would be outmatched. They have a huge advantage of numbers if trained to operate as a team. That would also solve the issue of what to do with the teachers who can't be trained to be good shooters. Nerdy science teacher? Let them serve as breachers. Get some dog handlers and medics too. You wouldn't just give all the teachers a gun and expect them to take on an active shooter 1 on 1. That would be ridiculous.

02-22-2018 , 01:41 PM

#82606

MrAdvantage

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m_reed05

I really hope this time is different. I'll believe it when I see it, but it does feel different this time, and all the credit goes to the kids.

Lol. Nobody will remember those kids in a week or 2.

02-22-2018 , 01:42 PM

#82607

grizy

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Is there an updated version of this?

02-22-2018 , 01:43 PM

#82608

iron81

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I'm only about 80% sure that D10 post is a level.

02-22-2018 , 01:45 PM

#82609

grizy

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A masters in teaching takes about 2 years, give or take a bit depending on the program. Do we cut that in half and send teachers to Commando camps or do we make it a 3-year program?

Maybe during summer and winter vacations, we should ship them off to Afghanistan for hands-on training?

02-22-2018 , 01:46 PM

#82610

Namath12

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Make the teachers armed security guards, promote janitors to teachers, make kids janitors. MAGA

02-22-2018 , 01:48 PM

#82611

eyebooger

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 58,712

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrAdvantage

Lol. Nobody will remember those kids in a week or 2.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/st...09428852871168

02-22-2018 , 01:51 PM

#82612

Trolly McTrollson

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Marco Rubio getting lit up by a teenage girl is not going to be forgotten anytime soon.

02-22-2018 , 01:52 PM

#82613

Johnny Truant

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I bet a lot of coal miners would like shooting training better than stem training. A lot of...very fine people...are already well trained in fire arms and would probably love to guard our kids.

I bet it makes these kids respect their teachers more overnight. Like we used to.

Also:

02-22-2018 , 01:56 PM

#82614

WichitaDM

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The fact they R's have successfully moved the conversation to whether or not teachers in schools should have guns is a sure sign they have won (again). They are ridiculously good at shifting the narrative in these situations. It also gives our side a "win" when they inevitably drop this stupid plan and do nothing meaningful wrt gun control.

02-22-2018 , 01:59 PM

#82615

wheatrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d10

I dunno why everyone assumes the teachers would be outmatched. They have a huge advantage of numbers if trained to operate as a team.

How in the hell are they all supposed to figure out there's an active shooter and where he's located at the same time and organize tactics before kids start dying?

Everyone thinks they will shoot accurately, which they will not because a) even professionals miss their target more than they hit it and b) stress is a hell of a thing.

There are way too many people who have inflated egos and think based on movies they watch. Trained people suck at stopping armed shooters but hey the teachers totally would do it.

02-22-2018 , 02:00 PM

#82616

Oroku$aki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

Look, if you want to come at me that's fine, we can aids up this thread with a thunderdome all day long idgaf. But it's going to be about what I actually said, not what you *think* I meant by what I said. That goes for the person you quoted too.

I see that you already conceded the point, so you got that part right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

Yes

lol no

He openly doubts that Russia interfered at all in our elections in 2016 while at the same time opining about how awful America is for interfering in Guatamala or wherever. Did you not see his appearance on Tucker?

"Guatemala or wherever" translates to "these places just aren't that important." If you didn't want to sound so dismissive try writing better, or thinking better.*

*I've been guilty of bad writing and bad thoughts as well, but I'm pretty sure I'm good here.

02-22-2018 , 02:07 PM

#82617

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WichitaDM

Yes, this.

"See how we are trying to work with them? But they are never going to be satisfied until they disarm America!"

02-22-2018 , 02:10 PM

#82618

Namath12

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

I see that you already conceded the point, so you got that part right.

"Guatemala or wherever" translates to "these places just aren't that important."

I've already explained what I meant in a subsequent post. I'm not really interested in arguing against a strawman. I'm sorry your reading comprehension sucks (or you are bad at mindreading) but I'm 100% certain that that is not my failure.

02-22-2018 , 02:11 PM

#82619

stinkubus

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At worst it was a failed attempt at being glib, at best it was shorthand for "interfering in Guatemala or wherever else the United States has done so." Not really sure how you all are peering into Namath's secret inner heart, and he's got a good enough posting history here to deserve the benefit of the doubt, imo.

02-22-2018 , 02:13 PM

#82620

wheatrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

Noticeable, isn't it? Now imagine the impact from months of that on FB, twitter, and other social media, and being amplified by the media during the campaign.

Media talking about e-mails non stop did more damage than this. Hillary also spent a ****ton in campaign money and managed less of an impact a few million dollars worth of trolls did, look let's be real, someone that dumb being president would've been a bad thing, unfortunately she was running vs a guy who people think has dementia instead of realizing he's actually been that way his entire life.

So for everyone's next campaign it'll just be hiring internet trolls, WAAF.

The biggest problem with this discussion is how much is completely impossible to quantify. The comey letter certainly had more of an impact for instance too.

The long run problem is simply how dumb we are how easily memes just further deeply ingrain people.

We're supposedly smart but we fall for fake news sometimes too; the white supremacist shooter link was total bunk, the X shootings this year turned out to be pure propaganda (it's a massive stretch to get that number). (before RW's in here celebrate, fox is just straight lying 24/7 for the most part so shut up)

I'm tired of this bull**** but that's our society and I don't know what we can do about it.

02-22-2018 , 02:13 PM

#82621

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by poconoder

good job ScreaminAsian your pictures of Trump keep getting better. I will enjoy another seven years of these.

i'll have to switch to courtroom sketches eventually so enjoy them while you can

02-22-2018 , 02:15 PM

#82622

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

trump: i don't want teachers to have guns. fake news cnn says i want teachers to have guns that's absolutely not true

[less than 1 minute later]

this won't happen if you have 10% of teachers with guns or 20% of teachers with guns

02-22-2018 , 02:17 PM

#82623

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

"you gotta let people know: if you're gonna come into our schools, you're gonna be dead" - president donald j trump

02-22-2018 , 02:18 PM

#82624

Huehuecoyotl

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Murray Hitzman could have had a long and distinguished career at the US Geological Survey. In September 2016, when he joined the USGS as head of its energy and minerals program, his name was being floated as a possible future director of the agency. But just 15 months later, he resigned in protest over what he saw as an effort by the Trump administration to undermine key USGS policies governing the disclosure of data from a study of oil and gas deposits in Alaska.

In his resignation letter, obtained by Mother Jones, Hitzman said he was leaving the USGS because the agency had agreed to provide Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke with data from the Alaska energy assessment “several days in advance of the information’s public release, in contradiction of my interpretation of USGS fundamental science policy.”

Quote:

By late 2017, political appointees within the Interior Department, including deputy secretary David Bernhardt, were insisting that if Zinke asked to see the prepublication data from the Alaska study, the USGS would have to provide it, according to several sources with close knowledge of the situation.

At a tense meeting on Friday, December 15, Bernhardt argued that the USGS guidelines didn’t actually prohibit such a disclosure and insisted that the secretary could see the data whenever he wanted, according to a source with knowledge of the incident. Bernhardt, a former energy industry lobbyist and George W. Bush administration official, added that the USGS could ask Zinke to sign a non-disclosure agreement if necessary, this source said.

Quote:

“The problem…with asserting that authority—even if it legally exists—is that the purpose of those internal USGS policies is to preserve the reputation of the USGS as a purveyor of objective science,” Elizabeth Klein, who served as associate deputy secretary at Interior during the Obama administration, said in an email. “Once you start injecting political officials into the process of developing scientific assessments, you raise serious questions about the objectivity of the science.”

Seems like that would very easily open up the perception, if not the actual practice, of the natural resources equivalent of insider trading and/or making adjustments to the data for political reasons.

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...-zinke-alaska/