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02-22-2017 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm sure that my pony is slow, but four months after the election, I've decided that the debate about the extent to which Trump supporters are racist, xenophobic, etc., is mostly beside the point. Many Trump supports are racists, of course, but that's not the main reason they voted for Trump. The main reason they voted for Trump was because he was the Republican candidate and they self identify as Republicans. Put another way, if the Democrats had somehow nominated a candidate that was more racist than the Republican candidate, most of Trump voters would have voted for the less racist Republican candidate. I fear that the same is true on the Democratic side.

This is a long way of saying that true independents are fewer in number than most assume. Many are liars (they know who they are going to vote for) or simply crave attention. Those who are truly undecided or independent are probably in the midst of a long term switch in teams. They will not be truly independent by the next election cycle, although they may claim to be.

I think the lesson to be learned is that candidates and parties should focus almost exclusively on turnout and on indoctrinating the next generation of voters. They should spend little, if time on low yield strategies like trying to persuade Joe Independent to vote one way or the other or trying to convince committed party supporters that they need to switch teams, either temporarily or permanently. Party affiliation is just too sticky. Long term shifts can occur (see Reagan's Southern strategy) but they are rare.
True in general, but there is a small portion of people who cross over based on economic appeals. There were a lot of people who voted for Obama twice because he sounded like a populist outsider and generally had charisma and was relateable and then voted for Trump because he sounded similar. we can complain that Trump's racism should have been a disqualifier but it wasn't and it's not too much harm to sound more populist and not be racist. Those people are more concentrated in swing states than were the higher educated people that swung towards Hillary and that contributed to helping to Texas more blue but losing the electorally significant states. It's obviously not the golden key to electoral victory every time but it's something to think about.
02-22-2017 , 02:16 PM
02-22-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
If they have Black entertainment television then why can't there be a White entertainment television. That's the real racism!
Yeah the Negro baseball leagues were an outrage too. But you never hear the left complain about that kind of thing ever.
02-22-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
True in general, but there is a small portion of people who cross over based on economic appeals.
Sure, and there are always a small number of people whose lives are so dominated by a single issue that they may switch teams for a particular election. Even if you are a lifelong Republican, if you work for the Department of Transportation, you probably are not going to vote for a Republican candidate who promises to abolish the DoT.
02-22-2017 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Yeah the Negro baseball leagues were an outrage too. But you never hear the left complain about that kind of thing ever.
And those historically black universities; How come there are no historically white universities? This reverse racism has to stop!
02-22-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Yes if only the Dems could learn from this, they might win by 5 million instead of only 3 million.
You should want to increase the popular vote margin as much as possible, as you might have to win by 5 million or more votes if your goal is to actually win the next election.
02-22-2017 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe
They might have to if your goal is to actually win the election.
They'll need at least +6M to win 2020.

Russia appears to be turning on trump. They're gonna get their plan B--chaos in US.

Last edited by wheatrich; 02-22-2017 at 02:41 PM.
02-22-2017 , 02:48 PM
conway is in the crowd in spicer press conf.
02-22-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
Can someone post the gif/youtube of Rand Paul running away from that dreamer so we can all have a good laugh at Tsao?
Could also post his recent quote about thinking it's a waste of time for Republicans to investigate Republicans

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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Guys, I'm not going to respond to each of you - you're all basically saying the same thing. And no, I'm not 'offended" that you're talking about hand signals, I'm literally laughing at your conspiracy theories.
So you're laughing at suzzer and agreeing with the rest of the forum liberals? LOL why did you need to write a wordbomb to say that?

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Originally Posted by miajag
Remember folks, no problem at all that conservatives have spent decades calling liberals baby-killers, race pimps, and commie f*gs, but libs calling things racist is Why Trump Won.
Clearly we need to make more racist Pepe the Frog memes to win the next election and win over the internet like conservatives did this year!
02-22-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
conway is in the crowd in spicer press conf.
alive?
02-22-2017 , 02:52 PM
Tsao you really aren't winning me over here, you're going to make Trump win again in 2020 if your plan to make liberals see the light and protest #therightway is to be offensively stupid all over this thread.
02-22-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Not really - I'm saying fight racism where it exists. Don't fabricate it.
OK, got it. Let's start with the current president. You know, the guy that for years kept saying the previous president was from Kenya. Or was that not racist?

See, here's the thing. Liberals are not trying to get people that voted for Trump to change their vote. We know they are a lost cause and can go **** off. Instead, what we are going to work on is getting more people to the polls.

Oh speaking of which, let's talk about voter suppression and disenfranchisement. You know...since you are saying to fight racism where it exists.
02-22-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
conway is in the crowd in spicer press conf.
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
alive?
There is no way to tell.
02-22-2017 , 03:03 PM

c=conway
s=spicer
p=press
pink lines=press there
02-22-2017 , 03:11 PM
Spoiler:
02-22-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez

c=conway
s=spicer
p=press
pink lines=press there
Greatest post of all time.

Also I believe this is a prop from the upcoming movie, Taken 4.
02-22-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm sure that my pony is slow, but four months after the election, I've decided that the debate about the extent to which Trump supporters are racist, xenophobic, etc., is mostly beside the point. Many Trump supports are racists, of course, but that's not the main reason they voted for Trump. The main reason they voted for Trump was because he was the Republican candidate and they self identify as Republicans. GOP racism might have pulled them into the party initially, but party affiliation has long since eclipsed racism as they main driver of their voting behavior. Put another way, if the Democrats had somehow nominated a candidate that was more racist than the Republican candidate, most of Trump voters would have voted for the less racist Republican candidate. I fear that the same is true on the Democratic side although I would like to think that the effect is less extreme.

This is a long way of saying that true independents are fewer in number than most assume. Many are liars (they know who they are going to vote for) or simply crave attention. Those who are truly undecided or independent are probably in the midst of a long term switch in teams. They will not be truly independent by the next election cycle, although they may claim to be.

I think the lesson to be learned is that candidates and parties should focus almost exclusively on turnout and on indoctrinating the next generation of voters. They should spend little, if time on low yield strategies like trying to persuade Joe Independent to vote one way or the other or trying to convince committed party supporters that they need to switch teams, either temporarily or permanently. Party affiliation is just too sticky. Long term shifts can occur (see Reagan's Southern strategy) but they are rare.
Democrats wouldn't nominate a more racist candidate, though. Wink, wink racism has been a big part of the Republican platform for a while now, Trump just put it out into the open and it turned out that it didn't cause people to turn on him. Turns out Republicans either outright support racism or at least it doesn't deter them. At best they'll claim it's a concern but not really a priority because we need to deal with terrorism or the flagging economy or our troops or some other deflection. I think for most liberals and Democrats racial disparity is easily a top 5 and probably higher issue because it affects so many people and really the makeup of our country as a whole. That said there are plenty of old white Democrats who are racist, just not so much that it drives their voting decisions.
02-22-2017 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
OK, got it. Let's start with the current president. You know, the guy that for years kept saying the previous president was from Kenya. Or was that not racist?
I'm no fan of Trump and thought the birther movement was ridiculous, but I never viewed it as racist. It was a very mean, incredibly stupid, and disrespectful way of trying to discredit a sitting president.

Some of you libs see things that just aren't there. But Obama is black so it must be racist!
02-22-2017 , 03:37 PM
Some Republicans are likely the same towards racism as all the other issues...if it doesn't affect me personally then it's not high on my priorities list.
02-22-2017 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Yeah the Negro baseball leagues were an outrage too. But you never hear the left complain about that kind of thing ever.
Um... wait... huh?
02-22-2017 , 03:37 PM
KellyAnne apparently went full facepalm when Spicer was answering the awards show question lmao
02-22-2017 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
KellyAnne apparently went full facepalm when Spicer was answering the awards show question lmao
she should be up there. but sexism and misogyny prevents her from being the face and voice of this white house. also, she has zero credibility with the press after a series of blatant lies and a free commercial for ivanka trump on live tv from the white house press room
02-22-2017 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Tsao you really aren't winning me over here, you're going to make Trump win again in 2020 if your plan to make liberals see the light and protest #therightway is to be offensively stupid all over this thread.
Yeah if Tsao keeps this up I'm going to go back to vote for trump in 2020 for sure. I will show him.
02-22-2017 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm no fan of Trump and thought the birther movement was ridiculous, but I never viewed it as racist. It was a very mean, incredibly stupid, and disrespectful way of trying to discredit a sitting president.

Some of you libs see things that just aren't there. But Obama is black so it must be racist!
You understand that the birther movement was fundamentally a racist movement?
02-22-2017 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm no fan of Trump and thought the birther movement was ridiculous, but I never viewed it as racist. It was a very mean, incredibly stupid, and disrespectful way of trying to discredit a sitting president.

Some of you libs see things that just aren't there. But Obama is black so it must be racist!
John McCain was born in ****ing PANAMA and not one birther said a ****ing peep about it but you're right it totally wasn't racist.

Some of you cons are so willfully blind to racist dog whistles.

      
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