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Originally Posted by Victor
Ive never been the most patriotic person or anything like that. I read enough books growing up about some of this countries atrocities and social issues to understand that the country really has some black marks.
but we really get indoctrinated from a young age in a very thorough and effective way to truly believe that this is a special country. land of the free. american values.
but its all bs. from the beginning it was bs. our "founding fathers" where all scumbag slave owners that just wanted to save money on taxes and continue to get free labor.
dvaut says it a lot better than me but the true values of the country is racial division and suppression, a murderous police state, violence, gun culture, and exploitative big business. if you look at the history of the country, those, and proly some others, trend from the beginning.
Word.
A major problem is that people conflate being anti-nationalist with being anti-American which is not the case. This happens due to people conflating the American government with American ideals. Contrary to what we are told, they are not the same and you can criticize one without necessarily attacking the other. I would go as far as to say that American ideals contradict American actions.
There's also a distinction between nationalism and patriotism that few people make. Nationalism is support for government institutions whereas patriot is support for a set of ideas related to a country. You can be a patriot without being a nationalist. I believe that I fall into that category.
To me, there is nothing more anti-American than supporting Donald Trump. Yet, his supporters are so delusional as to think the opposite.
These are of course subsets of the overarching problem with national discourse which is that there is no nuance in serious discussion. Everything is reduced to its simplest form. If you listen to people's opinions, they are rarely longer than soundbites off of cable news and contain the type of taglines you see on bumper stickers. The process of dumbing down has led to the rejection of nuance and the rise of anti-intellectualism. This is not a partisan problem either. I wouldn't call it bipartisan either. This is a problem that affects everybody regardless of political alignment.
The ultimate solution is supposed to be the liberation of information. People like Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning coming forward are supposed to benefit America in the long run because it temporarily stops the government from controlling political discourse. Like Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Unfortunately, people are no longer accepting information that contradicts their worldview. I remember watching a
TED Talk on the dangers of science denial and I think it now applies to political discourse as well. Its optimism is a bit outdated (it's from 2010) but the theme of denial of information without analysis still rings true. It's one of the few TED talks worth seeing if you haven't yet.
Last edited by SuperUberBob; 11-23-2017 at 11:18 AM.