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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

11-22-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I would argue Sewer's article sort of contradicts itself towards the end there in an important way.

First, earlier in the article:



Okay. The whole argument fall apart, Sewer writes. EXCEPT, wait, what?:



Sounds pretty economic to me.

Also, relevant:



Here we discover that the audience is a commodity and so devaluing it is not in the interests of journalists; the penchant for lurching towards politically correct explanations underlying Trumpism becomes apparent, but it's not necessarily that the media is reflexively wrong, it's that they don't bite the hands that feed them.

Josh Marshall likes to write about how the GOP is building Nonsense Debt; the idea that they are sound wound up selling idiocy that they can't deleverage from it.

But alot of Trumpism sounds pretty 'economic' in nature. It seems like the Capitalist's Debt: 40-50 years of for-profit media, deregulation, embracing predatory and extremely competitive economic schemes, etc. build to these moments. When the rich are exploiting the masses, they redirect their aggression. And the media and the gatekeepers can't rightfully identify or diagnose the phenomenon because for-profit media won't tolerate, for long, content creators who continually insult the audience, however well deserved and just.

tl;dr summary and yes, economic anxiety is first level thinking. But "it's all racism" is flawed second level thinking, which Adam Sewer eventually gets around to even if it cuts against his entire thesis.
Of course one reason for something as complicated as a presidential election victory is never an adequate explanation, and the refutation of the Marxist explanation was probably the weakest part of the entire article.

I mean, every presidential election ever has preyed on economic anxiety to some degree. But Trump's did so almost entirely in nationalist terms: that immigrant workers are the cause of your problems, and our trade deficit is contrived by evil, cunning brown people who are impoverishing you.

To what degree was real economic anxiety to cause for these arguments working, versus the racial framing of the debate itself, is an open question. But I think part of Serwer's point (much too lazy to reread at this point) is that this economic anxiety argument was a prop, used to establish the nationalist narratives that actually got out the vote. And the people who really seized upon it aren't necessarily the economically anxious ones, but rather highly receptive to a narrative that blames brown people for the economic anxiety of other white people, real or imagined.

The bottom line is that I see no reason not to see this election as transactional. People voted for a candidate devoid of any meaningful platform that didn't focus on nationalism in some way. The price is that the candidate's actions and policies favor a narrow elite and, increasingly, a nascent kleptocracy. The masses get their white nationalism, the elite shed pesky regulation and limits on their ability to exploit government--everybody wins.
11-22-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
Have there been any good articles/leaks about how other countries have adapted to the new admin?

There’s gotta be some country working on a solid gold statute of Trump to give him when he visits.
In my opinion the most significant and obvious dimension is Saudi Arabia. There's all sorts going on there, but it seems uncontroversial that they stepped up the aggression and directness of their policies once Trump came to power, and that Trump's relationship with them is based on flattery and corruption.

This article in Foreign Policy from a few weeks back lays it out fairly simply.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/11/10/...ed-and-feared/
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In a string of pretty spectacular foreign-policy failures (see: Yemen, Qatar, and now Lebanon may not be far behind), Mohammed bin Salman’s most notable success abroad may well be the wooing and capture of President Donald Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Americans have long been infatuated with kings and the kingdom. But King Salman and Mohammed bin Salman seem to have set a new land speed record in convincing the Trump administration that they hold the keys to war, peace, and the transformation of the region.
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But the Saudis turned Trump’s first foray outside the United States into a veritable love fest and string of hyperboles: He cut “tremendous” deals and expressed his pride in the new relationship and the “like-minded” goals the two nations share. The Saudis, having mesmerized and disarmed the president and official Washington with their glowing orb, were given a series of blank checks and a margin to maneuver in the region — without giving much in return.
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Instead, the president has ramped up support for the bloody, inhumane, and disastrous Saudi campaign against the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen; willfully and publicly taken the Saudi side in a largely failed campaign to pressure Qatar to align its policies with Riyadh’s; and said nothing about Saudi Arabia’s human rights record or its export of an intolerant and extreme form of Islam abroad. Indeed, in response to Mohammed bin Salman’s large-scale purges last week of well-known royals, government ministers, military and business leaders, and media figures, Trump publicly endorsed the campaign, indicating that Saudi Arabia knows exactly what it’s doing. That Kushner was in Saudi Arabia on an unannounced visit before the crackdown raises some suspicion that he was informed of what was coming and didn’t object. In short, the president seems to have turned Saudi Arabia into a kind of fulcrum of Western civilization — a bulwark against Iran and a key force in the administration’s yet-to-be-announced policies on the peace process, all without considering how Saudi policies support U.S. interests or the region at large.
11-22-2017 , 11:30 AM
If this stuff still matters...

Former Ethics chief suggests Kellyanne Conway may have violated Hatch Act
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-...ted-hatch-act/
11-22-2017 , 11:43 AM
11-22-2017 , 11:44 AM
Trump conflates himself with the presidency. These tweets about the Balls reflect how little respect or understanding he has for the institutions of government and their importance to a healthy state. They are as offensive and frightening as anything he was done since getting in office. It never occurs to him that the president directly intervening in a personal criminal case is the most undemocratic behavior imaginable, or that this matters.

I thought Don King and Don Trump were friends?
11-22-2017 , 11:49 AM
11-22-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Lawl

With the transcript



President "I can't hear you I'm going through a tunnel" Trump
11-22-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
I thought Don King and Don Trump were friends?
They are, Trump had to be talked out of inviting Don to the RNC last year because of his whole "multiple murders" issue in the past.

Actually thinking about it, we should be applauding Trump for endorsing Roy Moore, he's moved down from murderer friends to child molester friends.
11-22-2017 , 12:35 PM
"I don't want to throw him under the bus, but yes"

LOL
11-22-2017 , 01:03 PM
Actually, shop lifting is KIND OF a little deal.
11-22-2017 , 01:09 PM
But not in GYNA!
11-22-2017 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDuker
Trump assumes Ball's only concern with getting his kid back was his own personal financial gain. Because he thinks everybody is like him.
To be fair, Ball is an intentional clown and is using this "pro wrestling" feud with Trump to push "his brand". He probably voted for Trump, seriously.

Trump plays along, because "game respects game".
11-22-2017 , 01:51 PM
11-22-2017 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
It’s impossible to be dumber than a trumpkin.
11-22-2017 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
That can’t be real.
11-22-2017 , 01:56 PM
Oh, it's real.

Last edited by TiltedDonkey; 11-22-2017 at 01:56 PM. Reason: And it's spectacular.
11-22-2017 , 02:11 PM
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11-22-2017 , 02:15 PM


Read the replies, it's amazing. Forcing people to be cut off from the family and friends is 100% how cults operate.
11-22-2017 , 02:19 PM
JFC, I just want a normal Thanksgiving where I don't have to talk to my racist aunt and uncle about LaVar Ball.
11-22-2017 , 02:22 PM
Ball should tweet "Whose gonna get your son out of jail? to Trump
11-22-2017 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
IT WAS ME



11-22-2017 , 02:29 PM
11-22-2017 , 03:10 PM
I bought the big salad.
11-22-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
They are, Trump had to be talked out of inviting Don to the RNC last year because of his whole "multiple murders" issue in the past.

Actually thinking about it, we should be applauding Trump for endorsing Roy Moore, he's moved down from murderer friends to child molester friends.

So maybe Trump was giving Lavar Ball props, sort of saying, I like your style, you a bit like Don King, but I'm the boss.
11-22-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Like many things in life, cops can be both perpetrators of abuse and victims of social choices that leave them in precarious, ****ty positions.
It's kind of a vicious cycle as the ****ty conditions will induce at least some of the cops to act out. You see this same behavior in prisons and other institutional settings.

      
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