For those who missed it, what she said in a nutshell is: Chad claims Exxon owes them billions. And, the Trump admin wanted a brand new passport sample and Chad happened to be out of the special paper needed to make new passports (of course they offered a sample from an earlier batch, but that was not good enough) so naturally Chad was put on the Muslim ban list (or whatever they're calling it). Chad being pissed about not being paid, and being pissed about inexplicably being put on a travel ban, took their ball and left Niger (where their powerful military was an indispensable ally in fighting extremists in the country.) Virtually overnight (er, apparently it took about two weeks for the Chadian military to fully withdraw) extremists were back in business in Niger, and 4 US soldiers walked into an ambush that doesn't happen if Chad isn't pushed and insulted into leaving.

That's how she present the majority of her major stories.

yeah the few times ive watched her show she always goes way too far in her introduction and probably loses much of her viewers interest

Pretty sure she's a ratings juggernaut these days so I doubt she's losing too many viewers, but ya, tonight I was straight up groaning and sighing while she meandered her way to the point.

Thanks for the cliffs!

The narrative she should just be grateful trump bothered to call her at all is quite the level of insanity. WAAF.

I don't really know anything about Benghazi except that it's a rallying cry for the right. Can someone give me cliff notes on why as well as what makes this worse than what happened there?

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Remember when I posted about John Kelly ordering ICE to portray illegal immigrants as criminals?

Well looks like ICE tried to falsely frame some poor illegal immigrant for the California wildfires. Now this guys name is being circulated all across breitbart and other conservative news, despite the claim being debunked by local law enforcement.

Dudes homeless and started a small fire in a park to stay warm, deputies discovered it pretty quickly and put it out.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasack...qpk#.vvgLBZl1M
http://www.nixle.us/9N8YZ

something something hillary ignored the call at 2am meow chow- republicans were never actually able to present a coherent theory that fit with all the facts of the situation.

re: niger, sounds like master negotiator trump unnecessarily pressured and alienated chadian forces that supported anti-terrorism efforts in niger, including putting them on the travel ban out of spite, causing chadian forces to take their ball and go home, which then created security lapses that resulted in the ambush of american troops (what were US troops even there for in the first place?) and got a few of our servicemen killed.

at least this is how i understand it, tho i didnt watch rachel, confirmed facts/details are sparse, and as such, it's still a developing story that has a lot of unanswered questions

Off the top of my head, it was something about the embassy requesting more money to beef up their security a few years before the incident and the State Department (HC) didn't approve). Then there was something something about not calling it a terrorist attack something something in the first WH press conference.

Of course, this is all peanuts compare to the possible scandal of Chad penalising Exxon mobile, so Tillerson (ex CEO of Exxon) put Chad on the ban list out of spite, which resulted in Chan pulling out their troops which were fighting ISIS along side the US, which resulted in ISIS being embolden and attacking the US group......allegedly.

btw....Rachel Maddow is a great show.

F*** both 1%'ers

I looks like it may have been deleted, but Trump Tweeted the line below. What a disgusting piece of **** he is - it's just a flat out lie. The report doesn't give any info on how the 5m crimes are categorised, but a miniscule amt are due to terrorism.


Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
3:31 AM - 20 Oct 2017

What is scary about this to me is that the UK have a PM who is such a waster of organic matter that she would never respond as a PM should - and also the thought that a fair percentage of Americans (and Brits to be fair) are so mind-numbingly stupid that they will actually see a significant link.

If there is actually a link, it's the rise in hate crime caused by Tweets like Trumps.

British papers on it quickly...

"Donald Trump links UK crime rise to ‘radical Islamic terror’, despite complete absence of evidence to support claim" ... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8010851.html

"Trump erroneously links UK crime rise with 'spread of Islamic terror'" ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...islamic-terror

The sad thing is that the sort of brainless knuckle dragging ****** that believes Trumps Tweets won't read those.

The UK PM should have a duty to respond, but of course won't.

Hey we actually do need to police our own side, so everyone who watched Maddow needs to read this thread:



This attack was on the other side of Niger from Chad, fighting against a different enemy than the one Chad was helping us with.

That's not to say there aren't a ton of legitimate questions about Niger, there are, but let's not confuse the issue with bull****.

What are the chances republicans repaying a favor to Sheldon Adelson, Add a provision to this tax reform bill strengthening the wire act?

100x times more infuriating than Trump being Trump is the fact that this country is populated with f***ing legions of halfwits who eat this **** up and who actively resist being informed. It's so embarrassing.

Yep, I'll be out voting against him tomorrow, but his ascendancy is looking kind of inevitable. It's very depressing and seriously I think affecting my wife's mental health.

It's probably closest to the truth though. It's not reasonable to expect a President to personally call everyone killed in a any kind of military action. This is only an issue because Trump didn't want to admit his administration ****ed up and put Chad on the travel ban list for no good reason which lead to the deaths of 4 US soldiers.

We'll need more evidence it was because of Exxon and not because they ran out of passport paper and couldn't get a fresh sample to DHS. Safer to blame stupidity than evil intentions without hard evidence.

France, Germany/Prussia, Great Britain all had proud military traditions. Up to about 1914 war was a glorious affair where officers wore dress uniforms to the front. Some battles will be fought, someone sues for peace and tales of heroism will be told. Then two world wars ravaged the continent and civilians and soldiers alike saw war in a different light.

there is no "thank you for your service", no putting the troops on pedestals before sporting events, no necessity for constant lip-service by politicians etc.

Good read.

So all we need now is to debunk the Chad/Exxon Mobil penalty and Muslim ban conspiracy.

I'm puzzled by the time line of the Trump phone call story

Kelly said yesterday

So was this before or after the press conference where Trump claimed Obama and other Presidents didn't make calls? If after, it doesn't explain where Trump's "someone told me comment" came from, as this was apparently discussed in that conversation. If before, seems like they were preparing for the issue to come up at the presser.

Trump was making calls offering peeps $25k, doing great, why did he suddenly start getting deep coaching from Kelly? Why did Kelly say that he shouldn't make calls and not stop making calls?

I'd really hate to think that Kelly's speech was just a cover up/distraction when they knew that Trump's "totally concocted" lie was going to balloon into a major issue (what if the staff sergeant present had confirmed Wilson's account?). I'd hate it as it would mean they will do anything to cover for Trump.