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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-21-2017 , 03:24 AM
The guy was a serial rapist, twice convicted but more testified, with another 2 rape/murders likely (tried for one of those/hung jury). 20+ years on death row for the murder conviction...now suddenly wants DNA testing at the end --and there was DNA evidence linking him in the other cases incidentally, though they decided not to try/retry him after this conviction was in place.

I'm all for going the extra mile in death cases, and if somebody wants to beat up on procedure with these things I'm likely to agree more often than not. Want to talk about the chemicals they use for injections and the political issues there, sure, that's very messy. Look harder into Lee's upbringing and mental capacity, I think that's fair game - you'll lose me a bit but it's at least something to consider.

But anybody on social media throwing around "possibly innocent" here are either being misled or actively misleading others. This isn't some unfortunate dude in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the posturing is nothing more than the ACLU and others waving around their opposition to capital punishment. Lee had his due process.
04-21-2017 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
The guy was a serial rapist, twice convicted but more testified, with another 2 rape/murders likely (tried for one of those/hung jury). 20+ years on death row for the murder conviction...now suddenly wants DNA testing at the end --and there was DNA evidence linking him in the other cases incidentally, though they decided not to try/retry him after this conviction was in place.

I'm all for going the extra mile in death cases, and if somebody wants to beat up on procedure with these things I'm likely to agree more often than not. Want to talk about the chemicals they use for injections and the political issues there, sure, that's very messy. Look harder into Lee's upbringing and mental capacity, I think that's fair game - you'll lose me a bit but it's at least something to consider.

But anybody on social media throwing around "possibly innocent" here are either being misled or actively misleading others. This isn't some unfortunate dude in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the posturing is nothing more than the ACLU and others waving around their opposition to capital punishment. Lee had his due process.
qft. I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, mainly because a number of innocent people have been executed, particularly in low profile cases. But that's maybe 1-3%. Most of these guys are very much guilty of heinous acts. The question is whether you're ok with killing a few innocent people in order to make sure you can kill some murderers or serial rapists with bad/overworked lawyers.

In fact, if I were to reform the death penalty it would be to have it only apply in "infamous" cases (however defined). That would likely satisfy the public's bloodlust (if the public cares, the case is likely "infamous"), while ensuring the cases get a certain level of scrutiny.
04-21-2017 , 03:46 AM
If einbert is suggesting that Merrick Garland would be taken in by such a transparent gimmick to evade justice fully realized after full due process, then we dodged a bullet by not getting Mr. Garland on this court.
04-21-2017 , 03:49 AM
Selling lies to the einbert's of the world is exactly like selling them to the old FOX morons. You just need a different set of lies to froth em' up. Know your (drooling) customer, laugh, profit.
04-21-2017 , 04:02 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/855295172220813312

Noooo! Now Trump's gonna want a FOAB to play with too.
04-21-2017 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/855295172220813312

Noooo! Now Trump's gonna want a FOAB to play with too.
Demolition husbandry inevitable
04-21-2017 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Stolen Supreme Court seats have consequences.
This is not a good post. There's no indication whatsoever that Gorsuch was some kind of swing vote here and that without him, nobody would have been executed tonight. If anything, the WaPo article I found said (with possibly ambiguous wording) that no judges dissented in denying the stay.

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Alito, who is assigned cases from the federal circuit covering Arkansas, had issued an order delaying Lee’s lethal injection “pending further order of the undersigned or of the Court.” He vacated his order after the justices declined all of the requests.

According to the orders, Alito referred the stay requests to the court, which denied them all without explanation. No justices logged dissents, though some had earlier Thursday said they would have granted stay requests from Lee and other inmates. Lee was pronounced dead about 30 minutes later.
04-21-2017 , 06:04 AM
WTF people in this thread who aren't braindead Republicans actually support the death penalty?

Come on guys
04-21-2017 , 07:00 AM
Not a shock:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...73184861962240
04-21-2017 , 07:07 AM
What is S.C.?
04-21-2017 , 07:09 AM
And, the usual Captain Obvious style prediction that he'll point to next week and say how right he was.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...68516920332289
04-21-2017 , 07:10 AM
SC = Supreme Court
04-21-2017 , 07:11 AM
Or South Corea, given the author.
04-21-2017 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
WTF people in this thread who aren't braindead Republicans actually support the death penalty?

Come on guys
I'm just sad it don't include the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals, and racial groups.
How else do we make the master race stock great again?
Would save alot of money too!
04-21-2017 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Or South Corea, given the author.
Had the same thought, sadly.
04-21-2017 , 08:08 AM
When you're failing hard 92 days in, and expect to fail even harder over the final week, the first 100 days is some "ridiculous standard" to achieve. But when you're on a winning rush...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...15269074792448

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...50810490023937
04-21-2017 , 09:16 AM
According to the NY Times article Trump spent hours with Palin, kid rock, and neugent.

I too occasionally do other things when i don't know how to do what I'm supposed to be doing.
04-21-2017 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
According to the NY Times article Trump spent hours with Palin, kid rock, and neugent.

I too occasionally do other things when i don't know how to do what I'm supposed to be doing.
Man of the people!
04-21-2017 , 09:32 AM
Donald is governing the same way Barack governed for the last 6 years, through EO's and appointments.
04-21-2017 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
WTF people in this thread who aren't braindead Republicans actually support the death penalty?

Come on guys
Yeah. I'd consider keeping it as an option for real mass murderers like Kissinger or Cheney, but I figured the liberals here at least were firmly all against.
04-21-2017 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Donald is governing the same way Barack governed for the last 6 years, through EO's and appointments.
And for the same reason, no less: an entirely incompetent Republican Party. Since he's actually in their party one might expect he'd have better luck though. Incompetency knows no such bounds as party loyalty.
04-21-2017 , 09:57 AM
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President Donald Trump’s lawyers argued in a Thursday court filing that protesters “have no right” to “express dissenting views” at his campaign rallies because such protests infringed on his First Amendment rights.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-speech-237431
04-21-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Yeah. I'd consider keeping it as an option for real mass murderers like Kissinger or Cheney, but I figured the liberals here at least were firmly all against.
wp
04-21-2017 , 10:02 AM
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The Trump Administration has no plans to pay for its proposed tax cuts, according to revealing comments made Thursday by top White House officials Gary Cohn and Steve Mnuchin at an Institute of International Finance conference. There will be no border adjustment tax — the trillion-dollar hike on imports raised in Paul Ryan's plan — nor any other big new revenue generators.

Both Cohn and Mnuchin said economic growth would be the primary way to pay for corporate and individual tax cuts, while fewer deductions and tax simplification would also play roles. It is not an opinion that is widely shared by on Capitol Hill, including among Republicans.
Remember when Republicans say to any spending "but how are we going to pay for it", they're being completely disingenuous.

https://www.axios.com/trump-tax-cuts...370992617.html
04-21-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Yeah that is wildly wrong, a ton of people go to university here. You can see in the second table (here) that Australia is comparable to countries like the US and UK. Not sure what's up with that first table but the AUS data is junk.
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Here is the most updated data from the OECD website on percent of aged 25-64 population who have attained tertiary education by country (most of the countries' data pertains to 2015).

Country Percent
Canada
55.2
Russia
54.3
Japan
49.5
Israel
48.8
Korea
45.5
United States
44.6
United Kingdom
43.5
Australia
42.9
Ireland
42.8
Finland
42.7
Norway
42.7
Switzerland
41.7
Luxembourg
39.8
Sweden
39.8
Iceland
38.8
Lithuania
38.7
Estonia
38.0
Denmark
37.1
Belgium
36.9
Netherlands
35.3
Spain
35.1
New Zealand
34.0
France
33.5
Latvia
31.6
Austria
30.6
Slovenia
30.2
Greece
29.1
Poland
27.7
Germany
27.6
Hungary
24.2
Costa Rica
23.1
Portugal
22.9
Saudi Arabia
22.7
Czech Republic
22.2
Colombia
21.6
Slovak Republic
21.1
Chile
21.1
Turkey
18.0
Italy
17.5
Mexico
16.3
South Africa
14.6
Brazil
14.3
China (People's Republic of)
9.7
Indonesia
8.3
India
(m)
Argentina
(m)
these make a lot more sense

      
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