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12-13-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
UN shocked by level of poverty in Alabama:
'We haven't seen this in the first world'

People in the region frequently suffer from E. Coli and hookworm, a disease associated with extreme poverty and which was thought to have been eradicated in the US more than 100 years ago.
Well, the good thing about hookworm is the medication to treat it costs 4 cents.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...400-in-the-u-s

ooopsie doodle.
12-13-2017 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
This Net Neutrality ruling tomorrow is huge.
It's one of those things you can't possibly be against, so the only (non-)argument I've ever heard from right-wingers is "lol it never used to be a law before Obama either and none of the ISPs did any of that **** people are freaking about. Obvious nothingburger, don't worry about it."

Zero doubt NN is gonna be rescinded tomorrow...best we can hope for is that it winds up fixed through the courts or future legislation somewhere down the line. Probably about as fast as Congress fixed poker after breaking it.
12-13-2017 , 08:17 PM
12-13-2017 , 09:15 PM
In all the excitement I don't know if this was posted.
https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/st...35188648316929
12-13-2017 , 09:26 PM
I put the odds of that story being true at 100%.
12-13-2017 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GMan42
It's one of those things you can't possibly be against, so the only (non-)argument I've ever heard from right-wingers is "lol it never used to be a law before Obama either and none of the ISPs did any of that **** people are freaking about. Obvious nothingburger, don't worry about it."

Zero doubt NN is gonna be rescinded tomorrow...best we can hope for is that it winds up fixed through the courts or future legislation somewhere down the line. Probably about as fast as Congress fixed poker after breaking it.
right wingers are wrong here--Comcast throttled bittorrent in 2007. Sigh, at what Pence would do. GG everything fun on the internet.

Since nearly everyone uses the net, it's got a better shot at getting killed down the line but not with a R congress.
12-13-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
I put the odds of that story being true at 100%.
I think Trump is going to take over metoo Probably be at like 200 accusers by mid July
12-13-2017 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
In all the excitement I don't know if this was posted.
https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/st...35188648316929

Did Trump move on her like a *****?
12-13-2017 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroPimpin
I think Trump is going to take over metoo Probably be at like 200 accusers by mid July
Since hes 71 years old, ill take the over
12-14-2017 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I don't personally think it will ever go away. If abortion is outlawed then it will be "nuttery" from pro-abortion groups in perpetuity.

Anecdotally...I work across the street from a small abortion clinic. AT LEAST 4 days at week there are 1-2 people out there marching up and down, holding signs, holding rosary necklaces or whatever they're called, praying, etc. The next pro-abortion counter-protester I see out there will be the first. People who are fervently anti-choice are never going to let it go.

Hell, there was an interview with some deplorable's KID on NPR Tuesday and the whole ****ing family was all in for a pedophile because of his abortion stance. People in the South are being taught from birth to be like that.
You should go over sometime and tell them your girlfriend (not your wife) is due to give birth in a few hours and you want to get an abortion but you'll call it off if they agree to adopt it immediately. Tell them Soros is gonna pay for the abortion.
12-14-2017 , 01:24 AM
Watchdog: Trump officials improperly withheld funds for advanced energy office
A federal watchdog says the Trump administration improperly withheld funding from a Department of Energy (DOE) research office this year ahead of proposed funding cuts for the office.

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) found the Trump administration violated federal spending laws when it did not allocate $91 million in appropriated funding this year for the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E), which researches advanced energy.
12-14-2017 , 02:22 AM
David Cameron to Trump: Your ‘fake news’ act is ‘dangerous’
He then turned his attention to the U.S. president, saying: “When Donald Trump uses the term ‘fake news’ to describe CNN and the BBC, that is not just a questionable political tactic. It’s actually dangerous.”

“Of course broadcasters make mistakes and it’s right they correct them,” Cameron said. “But what is being attempted here goes far beyond that. It’s an attempt to question the whole legitimacy of organizations that have an important role in our democracy.

“Let me put it like this. President Trump: ‘Fake news’ is not broadcasters criticizing you, it’s Russian bots and trolls targeting your democracy … pumping out untrue stories day after day, night after night.”
12-14-2017 , 02:26 AM
12-14-2017 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
In all the excitement I don't know if this was posted.
https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/st...35188648316929
Serious question, is there anything illegal about this? Sounds like regular super confident guy pick up line. Is that not ok anymore? I dunno I've been married for a while now. Did I miss a part where he touched her?
12-14-2017 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GooseHinson
Serious question, is there anything illegal about this? Sounds like regular super confident guy pick up line. Is that not ok anymore? I dunno I've been married for a while now. Did I miss a part where he touched her?
Apptoaching a woman in a bar is one thing. Getting verbally sexually aggressive with a woman in an elevator where she can't physically remove herself from the situation isn't regular super confident guy pick up stuff.
12-14-2017 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Sessions should be fired for this. Leaks are terrible and jeopardizing national security, but let's have a secret meeting with reporters to do our own leaking to undermine Mueller


http://www.businessinsider.com/peter...-trump-2017-12
hahahaha this is the sort of thing that had the dumbass P7 Nazis saying "Trump exonerated, Comey is going to jail!!" when Comey "leaked" something about his Senate testimony or whatever
12-14-2017 , 05:00 AM
There's obviously nothing illegal about it. It's just that a) they're both married and b) it's another suggestion of a pattern of behaviour. Whether it rises to the level of harassment would depend on what exactly "aggressive" means. The line "you're coming home with me" can be OK if delivered in the right tone and context, or it can be harassment if delivered in an aggressive tone.
12-14-2017 , 05:22 AM
50 point swing between evangelical and non-evangelical white women.



A lot of effort has been put forward to try to explain Trump and the modern GOP, but the factor that predominates--probably even more than racism (though there is a complex relationship)--is the influence of evangelical Christianity.

One of the main reasons the GOP often acts inexplicably and contrary to all evidence and reason is because the beliefs of a significant portion of its base--like members of ISIS or any other group that rejects science and reason as a way to understand reality and the human predicament--permit and even encourage them to believe terrible things that are contrary to all reason.

A kicker is that evangelical religion, which has Catholic varients, strikes me as almost fully a creature of the 20th century culture--not a tradition that goes back 1600 or even 400 years. Sure, there are echoes going back to the pilgrims and, in some respects, to the Bible, but by and large the contours of modern white evangelical Christianity, and the particular religious and cultural doctrines (and privileged Biblical passages and interpretations) it emphasizes are only loosely tied to any respectable version of Christianity and are largely the product of nativism, racism/racial superiority doctrine, anti-communism, and distrust of scientific and intellectual elites (who tell them constantly, implicitly or explicitly, that their beliefs are full of ****; it takes some intellectual armor to not be pursuaded by dominant modes of thinking).

I suspect the currently dominant version of evangelicalism as largely a function of the "challenges" it rose to meet from the 1950s-80s, and I expect that will be significantly less prominent in 25 years. But, of all influences on American life and culture, evangelical religion is the worst.

Have been meaning to order this book and just did: https://www.amazon.com/American-Apoc.../dp/0674048369

Last edited by simplicitus; 12-14-2017 at 05:40 AM.
12-14-2017 , 05:36 AM
I'm fairly anti-theist in general and I think have posted something similar to the above before, about the connection between American-style religion and the extent to which large numbers of Americans are impervious to facts and easily conned. I thought about it again today when I read this piece about that guy in Alabama with the sign about his deceased lesbian daughter.

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Then one day, her father said, Patti had come to him and said, “Daddy, I don’t want to be gay any more. Would you help me get some help?”

Mathis said: “She was crying. I said, ‘I sure will,’ and this shows how naïve I was about it, I called up the UAB Hospital in Birmingham Alabama, and made an appointment, and took Patti up there.”

The doctors, said Mathis, “did all kinds of tests on her that day,” and finally at about 3:30 in the afternoon a doctor called both father and daughter into his office and said, recalled Mathis, “Young lady, there is not a thing we can do you. You can’t help the way you are.”

Mathis thought, “Man, this doctor must be crazy, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” but the pair saw other doctors and psychiatrists “and they all told Patti,” said her father, “’You can’t help the way you are. You’re who you are. There’s nothing we can do about it.’”

“That just opened my eyes a little bit,” said Mathis. “Instead of her being in the wrong, I was the one in the wrong.”
His later remorse and efforts to make amends demonstrate that this guy is a fundamentally decent person. He was just infected with an intellectual virus. Imagine genuinely thinking that the way to assist your gay daughter who is struggling with her identity is to take her to hospital to be examined.
12-14-2017 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GooseHinson
Serious question, is there anything illegal about this? Sounds like regular super confident guy pick up line. Is that not ok anymore? I dunno I've been married for a while now. Did I miss a part where he touched her?
In what universe is this a super confident guy pick up line? It's one of the creepiest things I've ever heard. I mean it's not illegal, but it sure as hell violates mores.
12-14-2017 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I'm fairly anti-theist in general and I think have posted something similar to the above before, about the connection between American-style religion and the extent to which large numbers of Americans are impervious to facts and easily conned. I thought about it again today when I read this piece about that guy in Alabama with the sign about his deceased lesbian daughter.



His later remorse and efforts to make amends demonstrate that this guy is a fundamentally decent person. He was just infected with an intellectual virus. Imagine genuinely thinking that the way to assist your gay daughter who is struggling with her identity is to take her to hospital to be examined.
That story sounds a little suspect. I can't imagine calling a hospital to make an appointment about a lesbian daughter and the hospital being like "Sure, bring her in! We'll run some tests!"
12-14-2017 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
That story sounds a little suspect. I can't imagine calling a hospital to make an appointment about a lesbian daughter and the hospital being like "Sure, bring her in! We'll run some tests!"
What incentive would he have to lie? I mean, the hospital were very likely either just humoring him or had ulterior motives (to assess that she wasn't being abused because of her orientation, for example).
12-14-2017 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
50 point swing between evangelical and non-evangelical white women.



A lot of effort has been put forward to try to explain Trump and the modern GOP, but the factor that predominates--probably even more than racism (though there is a complex relationship)--is the influence of evangelical Christianity.

One of the main reasons the GOP often acts inexplicably and contrary to all evidence and reason is because the beliefs of a significant portion of its base--like members of ISIS or any other group that rejects science and reason as a way to understand reality and the human predicament--permit and even encourage them to believe terrible things that are contrary to all reason.

A kicker is that evangelical religion, which has Catholic varients, strikes me as almost fully a creature of the 20th century culture--not a tradition that goes back 1600 or even 400 years. Sure, there are echoes going back to the pilgrims and, in some respects, to the Bible, but by and large the contours of modern white evangelical Christianity, and the particular religious and cultural doctrines (and privileged Biblical passages and interpretations) it emphasizes are only loosely tied to any respectable version of Christianity and are largely the product of nativism, racism/racial superiority doctrine, anti-communism, and distrust of scientific and intellectual elites (who tell them constantly, implicitly or explicitly, that their beliefs are full of ****; it takes some intellectual armor to not be pursuaded by dominant modes of thinking).

I suspect the currently dominant version of evangelicalism as largely a function of the "challenges" it rose to meet from the 1950s-80s, and I expect that will be significantly less prominent in 25 years. But, of all influences on American life and culture, evangelical religion is the worst.

Have been meaning to order this book and just did: https://www.amazon.com/American-Apoc.../dp/0674048369
Right. The rise of the American style of evangelical Christianity, centered in the post WWII south, should be a huge tipoff that the entire movement is inseparable from white supremacy and a reaction to cultural changes that started during the period. The overlap between 'evangelicals' and Moore voters really isn't an accident. It's obviously hard to 'prove' but almost surely, the glib empirical causative reality is a bunch of super shook white people resistant to social changes, mostly the political and social status of black people and how those changes effected the view of themselves, their communities, their country -- stumbled into reactionary religious zealotry along with the whole panoply of reactionary regressive views -- trying furiously to undo the changing social and political arrangements. Religion is a trailing indicator in this case, not the leading one. The leading one was basically integration and black civil rights. Diving headlong into reactionary political and religious movements followed from there.

Really the tweet is emblematic of the 50 year long way this perpetually gets framed: these are 'values' voters, or 'evangelicals' or 'concerned about judges' or abortions or whatever. Lots of pretension.

Reframe it correctly:

"A very interesting piece of data from Alabama exit polls: While White women overall voted for Moore 63 to 34, when you break out evangelical racist vs non you get evangelical racist white women 76 - 22 Moore; non-evangelical racist white women 74 - 21 Jones!' "

No one likes that story much because it's mean to all those white people and people get frantic when you frame it like that, and obviously it becomes sort of circular and boring. But it's truer and tells a more accurate story of the social forces at work here. "Evangelical" is just how racists self-sorted themselves religiously over the past 50 years. Obviously there are some exceptions, with any set of data with tens of millions of data points there will always be outliers. I'm well aware of black evangelism, etc. But the point remains. The data isn't that interesting once you factor in that evangelical Christianity's post WWII ascendency was just another white supremacist totem.

Last edited by DVaut1; 12-14-2017 at 06:55 AM.
12-14-2017 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
His later remorse and efforts to make amends demonstrate that this guy is a fundamentally decent person. He was just infected with an intellectual virus. Imagine genuinely thinking that the way to assist your gay daughter who is struggling with her identity is to take her to hospital to be examined.
I saw that video clip and thought the same thing. It shows what power to corrupt the mind that religion has. Hearing that guy talk about hus daughter, with a breaking voice, should shame those who promote extreme right wing "religious values".
12-14-2017 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
What incentive would he have to lie? I mean, the hospital were very likely either just humoring him or had ulterior motives (to assess that she wasn't being abused because of her orientation, for example).
True. He may also may be articulating the story poorly.

      
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