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12-07-2017 , 05:38 PM
Getting people who don't vote to start showing up for the D side would be helpful, but that would require that Ds advocate for things that are actually in their interests, and not someone else's.
12-07-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Getting people who don't vote to start showing up for the D side would be helpful, but that would require that Ds advocate for things that are actually in their interests, and not someone else's.
Baaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah, that’s something the other side has had to do.
12-07-2017 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Getting people who don't vote to start showing up for the D side would be helpful, but that would require that Ds advocate for things that are actually in their interests, and not someone else's.
The only democrat in recent history to do that in large numbers was Obama. But you guys prob want to throw him out with the Cintons. I think Reaganizing him would be a better move.
12-07-2017 , 05:49 PM
I don't worry about the people who are persuaded by the R's rhetoric because not a single one of them will convert, barring a religious experience.

People in WI, MI, PA, and MN (seriously, this state is starting to look mighty shaky for the Dems) have different interests and needs than Dem constituencies in other states. Votes can be earned without pandering to a single deplorable and you aren't going to lose a single black vote advocating for unions unless the unions themselves are permitted to be cesspools of racism.
12-07-2017 , 05:55 PM
Oh look Max has advice for Democrats.

No thanks, pal.
12-07-2017 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
The only democrat in recent history to do that in large numbers was Obama. But you guys prob want to throw him out with the Cintons. I think Reaganizing him would be a better move.
I would not lump Obama in with the Clintons, and would concede that Obama could be a very effective advocate going forward if that's what he chooses to do.

He promised to speak up if DACA registrants were targeted for deportation and then did not do so once that came to pass, so please excuse me if I won't hold my breath waiting on him to keep his promises or do anything that would help the Dems extract themselves from the terrible position they find themselves in today.
12-07-2017 , 05:58 PM
I think democrats largely know what they are doing, which is why it’s not at all the things people here advocate.
12-07-2017 , 06:00 PM
Drudge Siren

Noted dotard and speech slurring maniac Donald Trump plans a physical exam early next year and "will" allow details to be released
12-07-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
I think democrats largely know what they are doing, which is why it’s not at all the things people here advocate.
and that's why they keep ****ing LOSING
12-07-2017 , 06:01 PM
I know nothing about slurred speech, but it did sound a lot like Lou Holtz, which means it could be because of dentures. Or because he's extremely stupid and old.
12-07-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
White House reporting that Trump’s speech was slurred due to a dry throat. Confirmation that Trumpnis on some kind of drug cocktail?
Slurring your speech is like the exact opposite of what happens when you have a dry throat. These lazy ****s can't be bothered to put even a little bit of effort into their lies.
12-07-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
I would not lump Obama in with the Clintons, and would concede that Obama could be a very effective advocate going forward if that's what he chooses to do.

He promised to speak up if DACA registrants were targeted for deportation and then did not do so once that came to pass, so please excuse me if I won't hold my breath waiting on him to keep his promises or do anything that would help the Dems extract themselves from the terrible position they find themselves in today.
Obama had to deal w/ 8-10 years of half the country rooting for him to fail. I'm surprised he doesn't go buy an island in the Mediterranean and tell the GOP to **** off.

Seriously though, I think he's waiting. There's no point to doing anything right now. I bet next September/October he starts becoming vocal. Or waits til 2020 election.
12-07-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Obama had to deal w/ 8-10 years of half the country rooting for him to fail. I'm surprised he doesn't go buy an island in the Mediterranean and tell the GOP to **** off.

Seriously though, I think he's waiting. There's no point to doing anything right now. I bet next September/October he starts becoming vocal. Or waits til 2020 election.
And ex-presidents always keep a low profile in the first year or two after they leave office. It was never realistic to expect Obama to immediately start flaming Trump.
12-07-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Who said the good ol days? Why is working class a synonym for white with you? Dems used to be big pro labor, that’s where they need to be.
You can be pro-working class, but organized labor is never going to return to its heyday this country.
12-07-2017 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Are you not familiar with Fox News? The Clinton era will NEVER be over. Hell we still get whataboutism posts regarding Bill's dalliances on this forum.

I just don't see the value added by Dems being their own worst critics. It only discourages their own voters and fires up the opposition.
Trump and his conspirators are close friends with the National Enquirer bunch. We'll see Clinton stories literally forever, just like how Elvis stories stills sell to these morons.
12-07-2017 , 06:30 PM
Yep. The Enquirer will treat us to Clinton death watches at least until they both die, and probably for ten years after that.
12-07-2017 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
I think democrats largely know what they are doing
This post needs rainbow color treatment. Donald Trump is president, dude.
12-07-2017 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
I would not lump Obama in with the Clintons, and would concede that Obama could be a very effective advocate going forward if that's what he chooses to do.

He promised to speak up if DACA registrants were targeted for deportation and then did not do so once that came to pass, so please excuse me if I won't hold my breath waiting on him to keep his promises or do anything that would help the Dems extract themselves from the terrible position they find themselves in today.
That’s another difficulty with the strategy. Being pro immigration turns off a lot of the people your labor pitch is designed for.
12-07-2017 , 06:50 PM
Voter ID laws and voting regulations played a significant impact in 2016. With shelby vs holder ruling still in place, without federal oversight (hell, not like it’d matter with this administration) this will continue to be an issue.
12-07-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Slurring your speech is like the exact opposite of what happens when you have a dry throat. These lazy ****s can't be bothered to put even a little bit of effort into their lies.
The more blatant the lies coming out of the firehose the better for their purpose.
12-07-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Pedophilia is going to be a bridge to far with at least some voters. I've got some family in AL and they all intend to vote Doug Jones which shocked me, as these people are as reliable R votes as they come.
I naively thought a lot of people would get in the voting booth in 2016, hold their nose, and vote for Hillary. I thought (hoped) that if anything the polls were undercounting shy Hillary voters.
12-07-2017 , 07:25 PM

gotta stop that washington post somehow
12-07-2017 , 07:46 PM
So Trent Franks from AZ apparently resigning in shame. Was crying and praying in Congress. Dude must have been caught with a 4 year old boy or something.
12-07-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
That’s another difficulty with the strategy. Being pro immigration turns off a lot of the people your labor pitch is designed for.
If Mexico and China didn't undercut us there would be enough work across the country that few would care that some states are receiving large fluxes of immigrants.

The fact that there are no immigrants in the places which lean most heavily for Trump, and the fact that this country peaceful integrated generations of Latinos, and will continue to do so after Trump is long gone from office, should be taken as indicative that the grievance isn't really about immigration for most folks.

I know you guys hate the hillbilly elegy takes, but the economic deprivation in the rural areas of the country is very real, and I'm sure the localities are getting crushed by Koch-approved state houses all across this country. The children who are educable largely leave the area for opportunities once they graduate. The ones who remain behind often need unskilled employment just to find a job.

There isn't much of that, and what there is obviously isn't ideal and they are just fine with turnover, so the easiest way to get you out so they can replace you at the starting wage is to make you so miserable you quit or show no mercy on attendance and fire people for small, routine abscences. Furthermore most of it is physically demanding so that excludes a **** load of people.

It's a rugged life for the rural poor, too, and they certainly aren't the ones behind this mess, and poors vote in small enough numbers I'd never credit them for throwing the election.
12-07-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
So Trent Franks from AZ apparently resigning in shame. Was crying and praying in Congress. Dude must have been caught with a 4 year old boy or something.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/36...-for-his-child
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he discussed the option of surrogacy with female staffers
That is the greatest euphemism I have ever heard.

      
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