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10-17-2017 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
My no evidence theory is sites like upshot and 538 cost Hillary a lot because a lot of people really didn't want to vote for her, saw she was going to win so didn't bother coming out election day because they saw she was a lock to win.

The Democratic party in the USA has never catered to the far left. In Canada or Europe the Democratic party would be viewed as a right or center right party.
I think there's some validity to your theory, but with blame shifted to the sites that poorly interpreted the polls.
10-17-2017 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by d10
How about you GTFO with your faulty analogies? 100% of people would choose more free money. 50.8% of Trump/HRC voters chose HRC. Try thinking before you post again.
So I know I'm not on your level, but to me it seems like 50.8% means that more people chose her than chose him.

Which again leads to my original question, if HRC is such a horrible candidate, and she got more votes than DJT, then what does that say about him?

Also pretending that voting third party didn't mean you were in effect voting for Trump is some willful ignorance if you ask me.
10-17-2017 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by maulaga58
So we want to abolish the electoral college and let California , Texas, Florida, and Newyork determine who becomes president? As far as the purging of voter rolls go. Pay for some advertising tell people if they haven't voted in 5 years they need to register again. This country needs a third party to step up. Then the midterms become more important because the house will basically be choosing who becomes president every 4 years. I think an indirect democracy like Britain may work better than our system.
1 person = 1 vote
10-17-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
I love it when you SJWs try to read minds of others with awful leaps of logic. I think the wealth inequalities if this country are criminal, except that the tax laws makes it legal and the corporate fictious "person" defintion remove most responsibility for the corporate executives engaging in the theft of money from the working and middle class.

You lefties always want to ***** about why you lose elections and have your social programs stymied without ever figuring out why the rest of the country is so dumb for voting against you. Its because you dont listen to the base you supposedly represent.
Please explain which 'social programs' the 'lefties' want that you object to, and why?

Also, what do you think each of those programs cost yearly, and how do they compare to other programs that you support?
10-17-2017 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by maulaga58
You do realize with no electoral college the candidates would spend 80 to 90 percent of the time in the 4 states I mentioned. Then once elected these candidates would cater all there policies for these 4 states. So they could continue to rack up the vote count in these 4 states.
So candidates would have the gall to spend more time in the places where all the people live? Oh the horror.
10-17-2017 , 11:15 AM
aww poor boo

10-17-2017 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
1 person = 1 vote
that's not how you negotiate. you gotta say "YES, i advocate new york and california decide all voting from now on", and start negotiations from there. cuckservatives can't abide going along with something some liberal suggests, so you gotta let them find the middle ground for themselves. this whole 'start out from a reasonable position' is a big flaw in dem political strategy because we're not negotiating with rational people, they're lizard-brained morons and we need to start treating them as if they're animals because that's how they consistently behave.
10-17-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812

You lefties always want to ***** about why you lose elections and have your social programs stymied without ever figuring out why the rest of the country is so dumb for voting against you. Its because you dont listen to the base you supposedly represent.
the base wants social programs, yet we lose because we don't listen to the base by bitching about wanting social programs.
10-17-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
So do you oppose a term limit for the President? Do you support term limits for federal judges?

There's always going to be a learning curve for anything, as you said, but there is also a lot of value in a diversity of perspective. Do we really think Feinstein adds anything to the Senate because she's been there since the 80s or whatever?
The term limit question is an interesting one. Why have a law that forces out a good lawmaker after eight or 12 years or whatever? Elections are supposed to be used to send home the bad lawmakers. And I guess I would have been fine with 12 years of Obama. So I wouldn't mind a provision to allow for a third term in the case of the President.
10-17-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
that's not how you negotiate. you gotta say "YES, i advocate new york and california decide all voting from now on".
Who would even argue against this? I have suggested banning men from voting, but if the above is more viable politically, I'll take it.
10-17-2017 , 11:23 AM
weren't presidential term limits put into place by conservatives reacting to the massive popularity of FDR's New Deal?
10-17-2017 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by maulaga58
So we want to abolish the electoral college and let California , Texas, Florida, and Newyork determine who becomes president?[
no. we want all votes to count equally.

or, why is that any worse than florida, ohio, michigan and pa decide the president currently? why do votes in those states count much more than in states like CA or TX?

also, do you understand where the electoral came from and why it exists? here, I'll help, its bc of slavery.
10-17-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Please explain which 'social programs' the 'lefties' want that you object to, and why?

Also, what do you think each of those programs cost yearly, and how do they compare to other programs that you support?
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
You ****sticks should stop bitching that awval votd with his wallet as he expressed as a one issue decision. The biggest problem most taxpaters have with all of the liberal social programs is they expect the working people to pay for benefits for the non-working. Whether is true or not, regardless of cost compared to the military spending, this is a hot button issue with the voting workforce. Same with immigration issues, the workforce does not want to pay for government benefits, directly or indirectly, for non citizens.
Not a specific social program referenced, but it sounds like if you aren't working you should be starving and homeless.

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The democratic party is so out of touch with it's constituents, always catering to the far left. How hairdressers and secretaries have turned into republicans voters in my democrat controlled county is beyond my comprehension, but they have.
Someone unpack this, pretty sure there's gold here. Dude really keeps his ear to the ground wrt hairdressers and secretaries.
10-17-2017 , 11:33 AM
There's already a mountain's worth of data on that if people will bother to go and seek it out and read it.
10-17-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
that's not how you negotiate. you gotta say "YES, i advocate new york and california decide all voting from now on", and start negotiations from there. cuckservatives can't abide going along with something some liberal suggests, so you gotta let them find the middle ground for themselves. this whole 'start out from a reasonable position' is a big flaw in dem political strategy because we're not negotiating with rational people, they're lizard-brained morons and we need to start treating them as if they're animals because that's how they consistently behave.
10-17-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hacksaw JD
the base wants social programs, yet we lose because we don't listen to the base by bitching about wanting social programs.
his posts are legit bizarre. its like a random combination of pieces of deplorable talking points so they make even less sense than usual. just repeated non sequitors. pretty impressive really.
10-17-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
So do you oppose a term limit for the President? Do you support term limits for federal judges?

There's always going to be a learning curve for anything, as you said, but there is also a lot of value in a diversity of perspective. Do we really think Feinstein adds anything to the Senate because she's been there since the 80s or whatever?
I support term limits for president because the alternative increases the risk of authoritarianism to a degree I find unacceptable. And I also think that the job is simply too demanding for anyone to do it for more than eight years.

I do not support terms limits for judges, although I might support a mandatory retirement age. Mandatory retirement age might be OK for Congress as well.

I am not at all convinced that term limits would significantly increase the diversity of perspective in Congress. In most districts and states, I suspect that you would just find party loyalists waiting in line for their turn, which is pretty much what you have now.

One other reason for opposing Congressional term limits is that a lot of new members and Senators seemingly feel the need the do a lot of dickwaving the first few years to show that they will not be pushed around (i.e., they will not compromise).

Last edited by Rococo; 10-17-2017 at 11:46 AM.
10-17-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
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limit campaign contribution rights to "natural persons"
Why do you hate FREE SPEECH?
allowing corporate persons the right to "speech" dilutes the volume of individuals' speech, so I'm actually advocating for stronger freedom of speech
10-17-2017 , 11:45 AM
Mandatory retirement age is a good idea, term limits are bad and more importantly the idea of term limits being good is giving into right wing framing that there's something inherently corrupt about government service.
10-17-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Voters In Wyoming Have 3.6 Times The Voting Power That I Have
Although Wyoming had a population in the last census of only 563,767, it gets 3 votes in the Electoral College based on its two Senators and one Congressman. California has 55 electoral votes. That sounds like a lot more, but it isn’t when you consider the size of the state. The population of California in the last census was 37,254,503, and that means that the electoral votes per capita in California are a lot less. To put it another way, the three electors in Wyoming represent an average of 187,923 residents each. The 55 electors in California represent an average of 677,355 each, and that’s a disparity of 3.6 to 1.
That's it. I'm moving to Wyoming
10-17-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
allowing corporate persons the right to "speech" dilutes the volume of individuals' speech, so I'm actually advocating for stronger freedom of speech
i don't think 'why do you hate FREE SPEECH' was meant to be taken at face value lol. probably 100% of people ITT and every sane person in the world is on the same side of this issue.
10-17-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Mandatory retirement age is a good idea, term limits are bad and more importantly the idea of term limits being good is giving into right wing framing that there's something inherently corrupt about government service.
Bingo. Fly said it more succinctly than I did and the bolded is super important imo.
10-17-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sylar
That's it. I'm moving to Wyoming
10-17-2017 , 12:16 PM
Term limits for POTUS only. No on mandatory retirement age. If lifetime appointments for judges are a problem, then just make the appointments less than lifetime. For elected officials, if people think they are too old, then they don't have to vote for them.

Last edited by microbet; 10-17-2017 at 12:22 PM.
10-17-2017 , 12:19 PM
I listened to an interview on NPR yesterday with Ursula Wilder, a CIA psychologist who counsels spies heading to or returning from their assignments. The specific topic was about why spies spill their secrets. But at one point, she made the following statement about the personality characteristics of spies:

"There are in the personality (of spies) three broad areas that recur over and over again in cases of captured spies when they're studied. One is psychopathy, which is a ruthless, kind of cruel approach to life, and narcissism, which is egocentrism - that acute sensitivity to negative feedback. And the last is immaturity. And in cases of espionage, we see these strains in the personality appear over and over again."

If I hadn't know who she was or what she was talking about, I would have thought it was someone describing Trump's main psychological characteristics - to a "T".

      
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