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03-19-2017 , 03:16 AM
I can't even get that wrapped up in Gorka's affiliations with fringe groups, because there seems to be a lot of people questioning the quality of his expertise. The fact that he's another Breitbart/Bannon guy and obvious Trump sycophant doesn't help. His Twitter page could just as easily belong to some unemployed dropout. Trump is at least consistent with the type of people he surrounds himself with...

For his position though, I'm not sure whether it would be better for him to succeed or fail. Part of me wants to see him just fall on his face and put his incompetence on display, but given his position that could be pretty bad for all of us depending on the situation.

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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Took me too long to realize the far left really isn't mad at trump for being an authoritarian, they just wished he was on their side.
That's a pretty bad take I think, unless you're maybe talking about some extreme slice of the far left that would probably be better described as iliberal. Had Trump run and won as a Democrat I'm confident that the far left would be far less forgiving than his righty backers wrt his approach toward credible press agencies, the courts, and choosing unqualified fringe types & billionaire insiders for important agency positions. It's harder to imagine maybe, because there aren't enough true counterparts on the left to position opposite of today's right-wing nonsense. And then, what would a Bizarro World Lefty Bannon be, for example? What would be the evil liberal policy equivalent of a Muslim ban? I think the left is much more appreciative of the need for things like checks and balances regardless of who is in power.

But again, I'm assuming you're not referring to some ultra- or alt-left type thing. We definitely have some of that, but there's no way our crazy slice is anywhere near as wide.
03-19-2017 , 03:27 AM
Said another way, I think the people who are more inclined to accept authoritarianism are largely grouped on the right already.
03-19-2017 , 03:44 AM
The Trump Organization provides more details wrt to turning over the money it makes from foreign officials. They will provide the funds to the Treasury in annual payments and the first payment won't be made until the end of next year (2018).

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...on-to-treasury

Anyone want to predict whether any payments will be made, and, if so, how much financial chicanery will go into both depressing the amount of $ they decide that they have to turn over and making it virtually impossible for neutral parties to determine if they coughed up the right amount?
03-19-2017 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I love when posters like Sushy see a post they don't like, think "Aha! This is a gotcha question! I'll show them!", then post "Citation please" only to have it backfire when 10 sources are given within 5 minutes. Then they slink off and reappear in 3-4 days to do it all over again.
Some of us have lives you know, strange as it may seem. I did actually reply with my opinion on the sources.

And also see my posts on the page before this one.
03-19-2017 , 04:14 AM
So it's basically a pledge to self-audit one tiny fragment of their business, self-appraise the amount of income from that tiny fragment, and ship the [I]profits[/I--not proceeds--to the Treasury in oh, about two years. As the Trump organization continues to roll along in a blind trust with it's business dealings and financials hidden from the public.

Right now I'm just bracing for the unexpected here on Monday, with Comey before Congress. I really don't know what to expect with him, what we'll get/not get from, or what distractions Trump might toss out between now and then.
03-19-2017 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
Ex-leftist and ex-marxist David Horowitz calls Obama a communist. Communists and their ideology has killed more people than anyone other in the world, including nazis. Why haven't democracts denounced Obama? Perhaps after that happens the Republicans will consider it?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/is-obama-...nto-communism/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-y0MtreTb4
Communists' discipline has gotten a lot better in the last few years. Went from wanting to seize the means of production to not doing that when having all the power and instead choosing to enact a right wing market centered approach once favored by conservative think tanks. Part of the long game.
03-19-2017 , 07:48 AM
So, the Nazi Gorka has had a few strange run-ins with the law that are worth noting. Also, he was apparently an editor at Breitbart at some point before taking his current job IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

He was arrested at Reagan Airport with a gun:

https://twitter.com/funder/status/843320448326815744
Then arrested for reckless driving in Virginia:

https://twitter.com/funder/status/843321934108676096
Then found guilty in absentia for the gun charge:

https://twitter.com/funder/status/843322167517478917
03-19-2017 , 07:49 AM
Breitbart is really pushing the angle that him being a Nazi is "fake news," thus leading to a ton of trolls like Sushi coming on here and trying to push those lame talking points:

03-19-2017 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Some of us have lives you know, strange as it may seem. I did actually reply with my opinion on the sources.

And also see my posts on the page before this one.
LOL @ saying you have a life when you are posting in political section of a poker forum. C'mon man, you are not even trying at this point.
03-19-2017 , 08:01 AM
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Took me too long to realize the far left really isn't mad at trump for being an authoritarian, they just wished he was on their side.
Okay I get that you are trolling us now but you aren't even trying at this point.
03-19-2017 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
I dont' really know that group. Could you please make a case why this is so serious? And where did I say that the guy in the picture was a member of some group?

Is that group racist than say BLM, who even some blacks say is worse than KKK?

No, I don't like antisemitism. That's evil. But finding these boogie men to discredit whole groups of people is disgusting.
Lol, you really live in a fact free universe. That group is way worse than even the KKK.. Again, actual nazi's (as in they existed during World War 2 as a group to, literally, help the nazis).
03-19-2017 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Umm, because he is a raging bigot.
The real clue was that he not only brought up his religion several times, it was that he took pains to make sure that we knew that Kyp himself was not jewish, because, for some reason that's relevant to the conversation or anyone should give a ****.
03-19-2017 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
It was me.

There is still no proof. That photo is nothing new. It has been explained in several articles already such as the following one. I can provide more links if required.

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/2277...-ties-unravels
Not that it makes me that prescient, but I'd like to point out I exactly predicted sushys response.

There is nothing, nothing, nothing, no information that could come forward that would make Trumpkins turn on Trump. He could literally make a huge speech calling all his followers morons and that his single goal over over the next four years is to destroy them (which would incidentally be one of Trumps few true statements) and his supporters would simply say Trump is using a tactic.

I have resigned to no longer debate trumpkins. They do not operate within the rules of normal reason or evidence. There is zero value in debating them.
03-19-2017 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I don't get the stupidity of the "brainwashing" points of the really, really dumb people on the right. The majority of people who go to University don't care about politics, don't take any courses that get political and aren't political themselves. As my previous link pointed out, the thing professors are most worried about is apathy. They're concerned people actually attend class and actually do assignments. Nobody has the time nor effort to brainwash a nursing student into modern liberal policies. It's just astoundingly stupid on it's face.
Int the USA it is seen as left if you believe in Evolution and man made climate change. Of course the dummy's who think the earth is 4000 years old see those positions as brainwashed. The alternative to it is to realize ones own idiocy for distrusting 98% of all climate scientists and simple logic.

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03-19-2017 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Not that it makes me that prescient, but I'd like to point out I exactly predicted sushys response.

There is nothing, nothing, nothing, no information that could come forward that would make Trumpkins turn on Trump. He could literally make a huge speech calling all his followers morons and that his single goal over over the next four years is to destroy them (which would incidentally be one of Trumps few true statements) and his supporters would simply say Trump is using a tactic.

I have resigned to no longer debate trumpkins. They do not operate within the rules of normal reason or evidence. There is zero value in debating them.
How ironic given the fact that I had the sheer audacity to ask for conclusive evidence of Gorka being a Nazi. Of which none has been provided as yet, I might add.

You guys really are a hoot.
03-19-2017 , 08:42 AM
I'd like to see some polling to know if my political transition reflects a broader trend.

When I was in my 20s I would have fallen on the extreme left of the spectrum. I carried my copy of No Logo and attended many WTO protests. As I've aged, run a business, and obsessively read economics over the past ten years I've become much more fiscally conservative, leaning libertarian. I am still on the far left socially.

Before Trump, I was somewhat likely to vote for a candidate from the right, and in fact did so once.

Trump has wholly and completely reversed this personal trend. The degree to which the American right is disingenuous about thier own politics, their level of racism and xenophobia and that fact that too much of the Canadian right supports them virtually gaurentees that I will never vote conservative in my lifetime.

I wonder if this is a trend of any kind?
03-19-2017 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
How ironic given the fact that I had the sheer audacity to ask for conclusive evidence of Gorka being a Nazi. Of which none has been provided as yet, I might add.

You guys really are a hoot.
There is nothing that could be provided which would convince you. Nothing. No level of evidence, no matter who provided it nor what level of validity it had by normal standards would convince you.

There is no value in debating someone who simply doesn't live in reality. We might as well debate the colour of the sky on Kolob or how many square meters the elephants got on the arc.

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03-19-2017 , 08:59 AM
Lol
03-19-2017 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
There is nothing that could be provided which would convince you. Nothing. No level of evidence, no matter who provided it nor what level of validity it had by normal standards would convince you.

There is no value in debating someone who simply doesn't live in reality. We might as well debate the colour of the sky on Kolob or how many square meters the elephants got on the arc.
Yeah so stop quoting him. Dude has been triolling you guys for months. Next person to quote him gets a hairy teabag. Good luck.
03-19-2017 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Yeah so stop quoting him. Dude has been triolling you guys for months. Next person to quote him gets a hairy teabag. Good luck.
Indeed it's my last time. He can scurry back to /thedonald.
03-19-2017 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
There's nothing a Trumper could hate more than the ACLU.

Trumpers are unAmerican, uncivil, against liberties and against unions.
Nice.
03-19-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by udyr
This thread is a list of 50% people who are on my ignore list (many from other threads having nothing to do with politics - just trolls I've ignored over the years), 40% people who then quote and respond to the trolls I've ignored and 10% great links and breaking information which is the only reason I enjoy this thread. Can we please get the 10% back up to at least 20% or *gasp* 30%? I'm all for dissenting, intelligent opinions, but when a moron is just happy being a moron, can we please kick them to the curb?

Sorry for the rant, but geeeez.

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Originally Posted by fatkid
Yeah so stop quoting him. Dude has been triolling you guys for months.
SO MUCH THIS.

I don't contribute much here as I have little to offer, but I follow the thread closely and consider it a fantastic resource. BS and the other really obvious trolls are doing a great job of making the thread unreadable though, and this is 99% down to the fact that a number of otherwise smart regs just can't resist quoting and replying to them dozens of times a day.
03-19-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
I'd debate him tomorrow, on literally any public policy subject he chooses.
Yeah, no ****. Just like with Milo, these guys build up this insane reputation as being a conservative intellectual by saying EXACTLY the same **** as Rush Limbaugh, but doing it with the "smartening" affectation of either being a JEWISH LAWYER or a GAY BRITISHMAN.


kypre here is selling himself very short(though not 5'4" short), he's absolutely comparable to Shapiro in argument style.
03-19-2017 , 10:13 AM
"Smithers I'm beginning to think Homer Simpson isn't the brilliant tactician I thought he was"

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New York Times*has confirmed that Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano sourced his false allegation that former President Barack Obama asked British intelligence to spy on President Donald Trump to a discredited former CIA analyst. This analyst, Larry C. Johnson, floated the conspiracy theory on the Russian state-sponsored news network RT on March 6, the week after Trump's original accusation that Obama was responsible for an illegal wiretap.
Same former CIA analyst who said there was a tape of Michelle Obama disparaging white people.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/repo...n-state-media/

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 03-19-2017 at 10:20 AM.
03-19-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jman220
The real clue was that he not only brought up his religion several times, it was that he took pains to make sure that we knew that Kyp himself was not jewish, because, for some reason that's relevant to the conversation or anyone should give a ****.
That was absolutely the post that gave it away. A lot of seriously antisemitic people have this belief that so long as they include a positive stereotype or two in their bigotry it's insulation against the charge.

Like, for example,
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Originally Posted by a guy who worked with Trump in the 1990s
Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”

      
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