I did however shoot some pretty accurate air rifles in high school ROC class or whatever it was called. They had a little range there and lemme tell ya, I could shoot that gun pretty well. Didn't have much recoil at all, was pretty nice. It kicked a bit but nothing I didn't get used to after like five shots or so.

The two places I've rented from (one in TX, one in AZ) each charge $10/gun. Though one of them only charges $5 for each gun after the first. Both also charge range fees of about $15/hour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1pu0CCkvak

man that looks slim. looks like a great carry gun.

i wonder how the width compares to say an XD sub compact, glock 26, and how they all compare wrt carrying capacity. the 7 rounds is a bit of a turn off for me but i understand it's needed for the slimness.

It's slimmer than the XD SC and the Glock 26 because those are both double stack while the Shield is single stack.

According to the manufacturer's web sites
The Shield is 0.95" wide
The Glock 26 is 1.18" wide

For some reason, Springfield doesn't list the width on its website. A Google search says anywhere from 1.07" to 1.18".

That video shows why the gun reviews on Youtube are so much more useful than the ones on TV. That video was from Shooting USA, but it comes across as basically an extended commercial.

Contrast that Hickok45's 30 minute review, where he actually compares it to other guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7pmjCWSgJU

hey that's not bad!

I have a noob question. When you're checking out a pistol at the store, is it improper etiquette to dry fire the gun to see what the trigger feels like?

Just warn the sales guy first, and point it in a safe direction.

Here's everything you DON'T do in a gun store:

I kinda like the S&W M&P compact. I like that you can pop in a full size clip and have like 17 rounds. That ****'s good for home defense. Put a big one in it for home defense and put a small one in it for carry.

So where's the best place to CC a pistol while seated at a table? Like, imagine you're .... oh, idk, let's say playing poker. And you're sitting, and you have a concealed pistol. What gun do you have, what holster, and where on your person?

G23, Comp-Tac CTAC holster, Minotaur Magazine pouch (tuckable)

$10/gun
$15/Hr
+ range price for a 50rd box of ammo is standard.

IMO your comparison is M&P vs Glock (maybe XDM) as I have said before ITT its basically a finished Glock, they took the concept and removed or refined what they did "wrong". It is perfectly reliable like a Glock but has a better (standard) grip angle with different backstraps for different hand sizes, better stock sights, etc. It also just feels more solid and less "clanky" for lack of a better word. The only downside is in the trigger and there are plusses and minuses. The M&P trigger is a bit mushy and doesn't have a positive reset, when new they tend to feel a little bit gritty. There are cheap upgrades for the trigger and it looks like S&W is going to come out with a drop in upgrade soon as well. Compared to the M&P a Glock trigger has a lighter crisper pull with a solid reset. I don't care for the Glock trigger personally but you might. I think it is pointless to put the safety on top of the trigger since that doesn't make the gun safer only less comfortable. They tried to make a single action trigger but... meh.

OK first of all the M&P doesn't take clips it takes magazines.



but yes that is a nice option. Also since mags are easier to conceal than a whole gun you can cary the pistol with the compact mag and then your backup is a full size.

Not that that is really ever going to be necessary but hey WTH. I was going to adress this to the generals poast above but will do it here. Most defensive uses of a firearm end without the weapon even being fired and at most 1-3 shots. Getting hung up on maximum capacity is a fools errand IMO. I understand that it is an american/male desire to have the bigest and the most but think about it. If you ever get yourself into a spot where you need more than a few rounds you are majorly ****ed and need a rifle.

Oddly enough, I'd say the exact same things were the reason I chose the XDM over the Glock. The Glock just didn't feel right in my hand, while the XDM did. For some reason, I never even considered the M&P, though. To this day, I still haven't even picked one up or even seen one in person.

yeah the XDM is a very nice piece.

I personally dont care for the esthetics and feel of the arrow style slide/grip serrations and the overall shiny plastic appearance but thats just me. I don't really like that it has the Glock style "safety" penis on the tigger, but it has a great trigger for a striker fire pistol. The grip safety should negate the need for the trigger safety IMO (especially since they dont work). The grip safety could be blended into the grip allot better IMO there is a gap at the top that will sort of pinch your hand as you release your grip (assuming a high tang combat grip). But yeah overall still an improvement on the Glock concept.

I think they both feel like little girly guns but that's just like, my opinion man.

What a ****ing tool.

"POLICE, DROP THE GUN!!"
:Crying: "I can't.. I ca"
:BOOM BOOM BOOM:

its a jopke Francis

So awesome!

DBJ it's an idea from Taxi driver! GOAT!

Glocks have safeties on the trigger?

Yeah, so does the Springfield XDm series. Here's a close-up of my XDm.



The safety is that forward portion of the trigger that must be depressed in order for the trigger to be fully depressed. As Neblis pointed out, in reality, most things that will depress the trigger will also depress the safety, so it's not really that useful.

I don't know if the S&W M&P has a trigger safety, but the Shield has a thumb safety, a la the 1911.

Sort of. It's to stop "snag pulls". The primary safety is the drop safety.

The thinking seems to be you shouldn't pull the trigger unless you're ready to fire.

Man, M&P is hiring for a position that I qualify for but the job would be in Springfield, MA

MA, one of the few states that is as bad as NY.