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05-13-2012 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
DBJ what's a mall ninja?
Well, the first known interwebz "Mall Ninja" was the legendary "Gecko45". Heres a sampling of his work:

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Originally Posted by Gecko45
hello friends,

Last year I made the decision to trust my life on the street to Second Chance body armor. I got the level IIa because it stops the most rounds. plus I got the Trauma Plate for the front.

What scares me is that, although I can fit an extra trauma plate in the front, I cannot fit a second one in back. As of late I have taken to duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of my back where the heart and vital organs are located. Then I put my vest on.

Here is the questions. The ducttape solution, although tactically sound, is hot and painful to remove. I would like to go to the single-plate solution in back. What I am worried about is repeated hits to that area with .308 ammunition. I have a high-risk security job and I fear that I would be the target for repeated long-distance shots to my back.

Are any of you aware of a thicker plate that could stop, say, .338 Lapua or something like that? Is there a better way to do the second plate?

BTW, I am, of course, usually carrying a pair of ceramic plates in my briefcase so that I can shield my head. My SO (we work as a team when necessary) has a similar accessory containing a breakdown NEF single-shot 300 WinMag with an 18" bbl. The plan is that I shield us with my body and “catch the rounds” while she assembles the NEF. I lay down covering fire with my 23 (Bar-Sto .357 Sig barrel) and she makes the long shots. I will then throw smoke grenades to obscure the area while continuing to lay covering fire. The problem, of course, is when I have to turn my back to run, and then the problem crops up.
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Originally Posted by Gecko45
Thanks to everybody for the help. I am now thinking that the best thing to do is to have my wife make an “undervest” with pouches front and rear for the additional plates. This would let me have three plates in front (probably too hot and two in back. What I’m also asking her to do is to sew in a sleeve for an ASP collapsible baton. Right now I’m taping the ASP to my right calf (the left calf is where I have my G27).It’s okay for me to talk about my job, as long as I’m not specific. I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping centers. Although there are typically between fifteen and twenty normal security officers working the beat there, we decided a while ago that it would be best to have a specilized force for violent individuals. We use modified electric vehicles and can be anywhere on a given floor within eight and a half minutes.Naturally, the regular security people are unarmed. We “RTFers”, by arrangement with the local police, carry high-strength OC spray and batons. If we have a full tactical alert and permission from the local LEOs we also have a Mossberg 500 with less-lethal rounds and two K-frame Smith .38s loaded with 158gr. LRN.Basically, the situation is that we get the call, we lock up the situation, put everything five by five, and cordon the area until the local authorities arrive. We’re cops, we just don’t get the glory. [Somehow, I imagine the real police wouldn’t agree”]I am not permitted to carry Glocks on duty; however, when my wife picks me up from work I strap on the “Deadly Duo” of a 27 and 23, each with Bar-Sto .357 bbl.I am writing a proposal to replace our current Mossberg-Smith armament with the following:

3) MP5K-PDW with red-dot sights;
2) G36 rifles using SS109 rounds;
3) Glock practical tacticles in .357 Sig
1) PSG-1 using Fed Gold Medal .308
1) Starlight scope for the PSG-1 in case we lose power in the building.
3) Glock 27 backup guns
3) Kahr P-9 holdouts
I think this would make us capable of facing nearly any situation. I’ll let you know what the management says!!!
A large sampling of Gecko45's body of work can be found here.

That's where the term Mall Ninja originates.
05-13-2012 , 02:36 AM
lol
05-13-2012 , 02:39 AM
lol pure gold


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I do not understand the “joke” or the “Rambo.” I am in a high-risk job. It is not the Mall of America, but Ill tell you what its no podunk mall either.I am a responsible citizen who has made the choice to carry at all times. I defend others. If something happens at the Mall then I would be the hero, not those of you who are making fun of me for no reason. Yes Im not a Green Beret but guess what neither are you and unlike you I have to face unruly shoppers every day.My REAL problem is that, like any LEO, I have enemies because of my job. They may have access to high-powered rifles. My job starts and ends at the same time every day. Although I use four rotating routes to drive to and from work, I am still vulnerable during the walk to and from my car. This is the time that I load up on the trauma plates because I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT DEAD!Also, someone said that my Tac Team doesn’t get training. Not true. We meet at the range every night and shoot 400 rounds each through weapons that closely resemble our duty setup. We also practice unarmed combat. I am a Master of three martial arts including ninjitsu, which means I can wear the special boots to climb walls. I don’t think any of you are working as hard as I am to be prepared. I asked a serious question about tactical armor and I wanted a serious response. If you want to laugh at somebody, try laughing at the sheep out there who go to the mall unarmed trusting in me to stand guiard over their lives like a God.
05-13-2012 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ II
NutnFancy is a confirmed Mall Ninja.
He's a retired Air Force Lt. Col. currently in the reserves, isn't he?
05-13-2012 , 09:59 AM
I dunno. I just know his videos go on and on and on.

I think the initial classroom portion of Introduction to Glock I took in the academy wasn't as long or in depth as his YouTube vids on GLOCK.
05-13-2012 , 10:42 AM
i totally disagree about nutnfancy. when i was in college and was basically eating the throwaway free donuts from D&D to save money, i absolutely loved being able to hear his every thought on a possible $600 purchase I was thinking about making.

i also like that he has a method to his reviews, you can tell even when he's a fanboy (eg Glock) he still gives a pretty unbiased review.
05-14-2012 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
He's a retired Air Force Lt. Col. currently in the reserves, isn't he?
Yeah, he was an AF pilot. Do you have to be at least active duty Special Forces to not be called a mall ninja nowadays? He does go on and on and on though.
05-14-2012 , 05:47 AM
Nutnfancy does have those occasional "I'm gonna run to the mountains at TEOTWAWKI" tendencies though so I see where the mall ninja characterization comes from. Having "nut" in his handle doesn't help.
05-14-2012 , 05:41 PM
Was watching the movie, The Town. There's a scene where a bad guy gets shot by the FBI sniper. They then cut to the sniper chambering the next round. Standard? Maybe in a bolt-action gun. But he was clearly using an AR-15 and using the charging handle. Don't get why the director didn't just have the guy use a bolt-action rifle instead of doing something you would normally not don on a semi-auto rifle.
05-14-2012 , 06:18 PM
some sub sonic type rounds have to be manually chambered

......

probably just a mistake by the director.
05-14-2012 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
Forgot to mention this: it was annoying that I couldn't use the slide release on the Edge. I'm not sure if it's common on all 1911s or just the STI 2011s, but I couldn't reach it with my right thumb because of the safety. I had to release the slide with my left hand.

I remember Larry Vickers mentioning something like this on his show, about how he (a 1911 user) is used to racking the slide when it locks back, but the Glock guys all teach using the slide release. I'm coming from the other direction, used to shooting an XDm so I always use my right thumb on the slide release.
i shoot a single stack STI, have above average sized hands and can barely reach the slide release so instead of racking the locked slide with my left hand on a reload i catch the slide release with my left thumb as i'm putting it back on the gun to take my grip. just seems more fluid and natural to me but maybe thats because i grew up shooting handguns where i could release the slide with my right thumb, i'd have to really train my self to make racking a locked back slide natural and i don't see any downside to my method (maybe others do, idk)
05-14-2012 , 06:44 PM
Your method can actually be faster.

The downsides are both minute, but still worth noting. By pulling the slide back and putting the gun into battery that way, you slightly decrease your likelihood of feed malfunctions vs hitting the slide release with your thumb, because the slide is moving into battery slightly faster.

The other downside is you could be doing slight damage to your slide release, which again isn't a big deal as its neither particularly expensive or difficult to replace, but still, those are the downsides.
05-14-2012 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ II
This is false. Every bit of training I've had I've always been told the "chest slap" method.
What's a "chest slap"?
05-14-2012 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
What's a "chest slap"?
When the slide locks to the rear you pull back on the slide hard enough to slap yourself in the chest when you pull it and release it into battery after reloading a fresh magazine.
05-14-2012 , 07:46 PM
BTW, here's my gun:



Way too big for EDC, but I hope to start competing with it this Fall.
05-14-2012 , 07:50 PM
i really want an xdm but the high cap mags would be illegal
05-14-2012 , 07:56 PM
There's a big sticker on the side of the case that came with the XDm, "Not Legal for Sale in California." Guess it's a good thing I left there.
05-14-2012 , 11:04 PM
Whats up all. Ventured into the politics forum for the hell of it and this thread stuck out. Just started to open carry (Good ole' Colorado). I have a Springfield 1911 and I might own a XD 9mm SubCompact in the next day or so. Still working on that deal. I'll check in from
time to time and say howdy to everyone. If I get around to it I'll post the video of my friend's 9yr old shooting the 870 Tactical the other day. Pretty good stuff.
05-14-2012 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Whats up all. Ventured into the politics forum for the hell of it and this thread stuck out. Just started to open carry (Good ole' Colorado). I have a Springfield 1911 and I might own a XD 9mm SubCompact in the next day or so. Still working on that deal. I'll check in from
time to time and say howdy to everyone. If I get around to it I'll post the video of my friend's 9yr old shooting the 870 Tactical the other day. Pretty good stuff.
The XDM SC is really nice. Shoots almost the same as the 5.25 that I have. But unlike many sub compacts, there's enough room to put your whole hand on the grip. I'll probably get one when I decide I want to start carrying regularly.
05-14-2012 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Whats up all. Ventured into the politics forum for the hell of it and this thread stuck out. Just started to open carry (Good ole' Colorado). I have a Springfield 1911 and I might own a XD 9mm SubCompact in the next day or so. Still working on that deal. I'll check in from
time to time and say howdy to everyone. If I get around to it I'll post the video of my friend's 9yr old shooting the 870 Tactical the other day. Pretty good stuff.
You know, after being adamantly against OC for quite some time, a few recent events have brought me around onto the OC bandwagon.
05-14-2012 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The XDM SC is really nice. Shoots almost the same as the 5.25 that I have. But unlike many sub compacts, there's enough room to put your whole hand on the grip. I'll probably get one when I decide I want to start carrying regularly.
Good deal. I've always wanted an XD. My friend has a .45 and 9mm XD. Love shooting them. Hopefully this deal goes through.

Fwiw I open carry my 1911 in a Blackhawk Serpa holster. Love that holster! Such a great investment.
05-14-2012 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ II
You know, after being adamantly against OC for quite some time, a few recent events have brought me around onto the OC bandwagon.
I would get my CCW but a couple of things are holding me back from it (no legal problems or anything). One of them is that the state is working on a Constitutional Carry bill. If that passes then GG, no need for a permit. I like CC because its a tactical advantage, but OC'ing is cool as long as you are aware of whats going on around you. I think it opens peoples eyes up to our rights also. In CO it's kind of like carrying a cell phone on your side, it's just meh. Still like it though. Makes me feel patriotic as weird as that sounds. I don't go crazy with it though like some of these youtubers who go looking for trouble. I keep it respectful.
05-14-2012 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ II
You know, after being adamantly against OC for quite some time, a few recent events have brought me around onto the OC bandwagon.
wat? wtf happened to make you change your mind?
05-14-2012 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ II
You know, after being adamantly against OC for quite some time, a few recent events have brought me around onto the OC bandwagon.
Care to share the events? What state are you in and what are the laws like there. I can walk around with one in the chamber and the hammer back if I wanted to.
05-14-2012 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
wat? wtf happened to make you change your mind?
Story in Atlanta, 18 year old black kid gets gunned down by APD for open carrying a shotgun, he's committing no crime, there's no media coverage because "He had a gun"

Really made me reconsider my stance on my feelings that OCers were just being douchy to the police. Well, that's not true, I still think that, just now I think it's a necessity.

I plan on harassing APD tomorrow at a burger king downtown. Hopefully NeBlis will be there as well. TR to follow.

      
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