The most common mistake is dropping the magazine and not pulling back the slide to release what's in the chamber. Take a lesson from this poor bastard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAE-m2KOjSg

The safety is absolutely irrelevant to cleaning, because like will said, step 1 when cleaning a weapon involves removing the magazine and locking the slide to the rear.

Locking the slide to the rear serves two purposes, firstly, it ejects a chambered round if there is one and secondly it absolutely disables the weapon.

No gun can fire with the slide locked to the rear, doesn't matter whether it's a semi auto pistol, semi auto rifle, bolt action rifle, automatic shotgun or pump shotgun, if you lock the slide to the rear the gun CANNOT fire. If its a revolver, you simply open the cylinder and the gun can't fire.

In general firearms handling, the safety is still damn near irrelevant because you're doing something wrong if you're relying on the safety.

The only situation I can think of would be a soldier or cop in a combat situation who ends up shooting himself in the foot in a situation where his rifle stops functioning in combat and he has no choice but to click the safety on and transition to a sidearm and the rifle goes off while aimed down on a sling.

Other than that if you have a negligent discharge and blame the safety failing you did something else dumb beforehand.

He means both. Obviously you should never pull the trigger without a visual check at least once that there is nothing in the barrel. You should also never point the barrel at anything you don't intend to kill. These are the most basic rules of gun safety/cleaning.

But practically, to clean the gun you have to disassemble it. Which means the bullet has to come out. Your dumb cousin of cousin simply forgot to take check the barrel, or had a very primitive notion of handgun safety.

If you know what kind of gun he had you can look up the cleaning procedure on youtube. But as DblBarrel said, the first step in cleaning a gun is unloading it/making sure it is unloaded.

Anyone who's received training on a gun also knows that they should check the condition of any gone before they handle it. Even if you personally unloaded it yourself 5 minutes ago, you check it. Why? Because one day, you'll be positive that you unloaded the gun, and then go pull the trigger, but it'll be the one day that you didn't unload the gun.

Yeah, I don't even know his first initial. Maybe I'll check out some videos of random guns just to see it.

Just a terrible tragedy Ganstaman. Sorry for the loss. I can't even begin to imagine how much I would hate myself if I shot my own mother.

Thanks, but like I've said, I haven't even heard of these people until this incident. The two thoughts that went through my head when I heard it was how horrible it must feel to do that and how stupid you'd have to be to end up in such a situation. Which is why I figured I'd ask you gun people if I was at least close to understanding this properly.

Yeah to put it in the nicest terms possible, it was operator error.

The 3 basic rules of firearm handling are usually quoted as some variation of the following: treat all guns as if they are loaded, never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy, and keep your finger off the trigger until the sights are on the target.

Your cousin's cousin broke all three of these fundamental safety rules and the worst possible outcome happened.

You clear every weapon you touch, every single time you touch it. Period. You also never let the muzzle cover anything your not willing to destroy. For example last night I was replacing a spring in a revolver I made my friend move from where he was sitting so that I wouldn't point the muzzle at him, this was with a empty gun with the cylinder out.

I'm sorry but "I didn't know it was loaded" or "it just went off" are complete bull**** there are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch keep the muzzle in a safe direction confirm that every gun is clear every time.

Freaking Smith&Wesson gonna cost me money. The new pistol they announced is gonna be awesome.

The Shield? Seems like good value. Don't normally expect S&W to be under $500 MSRP

Yeah, the entire m&p line is what the glock gen4 should have been exept for the trigger reset. The sheild has the new trigger group that addresses that issue.

Here's a review of the Shield:

http://gunnuts.net/2012/04/12/smith-...ld-9mm-review/

Seems really nice, though I'll wait to see what the XDS 9mm is like before committing. Don't really need a carry gun when you hardly leave the house.

Gonna be $400 + FFL transfer fee at Impact Guns. Any retailers cheaper than that?

is there a reason for you guys to carry sub compacts or do you just want to buy the gun for the hell of it (not ripping that i completely understand that urge)? i'm personally not a fan of sub compacts and don't have any problems concealing something larger so i don't see the need for one but i'm wondering how many people actually carry them

they used more as a back up gun or maybe when you're just wearing a t-shirt and feel you couldn't conceal something a little larger or is it more a comfort issue?

I generally carry a fullsize 1911 I'm 5'9" 160. But yeah sometimes a small gun is usefull. I have a pocket 380 but would rather have a tiny 9 for that job. And yeah new toys are fun.

I carry a G27 for deep concealment (which usually for me means gun concealed under tucked in golf shirt or button down shirt) but for anything else I typically use a G23.

It's amazing how everyone automatically assumes you're unarmed with a tucked in shirt.

SP 2022 arrived!



Wednesday is ladies' night at the local gun range, so my wife will take me shoot it then

What sort of holster do you use to carry the G27 with a tucked in shirt?

Personally I carry in a Comp-Tac CTAC, although if that's uncomfortable for you the CrossBreed Super Tuck would be a good option, as it is slightly more comfortable but also hotter if you tend to sweat alot due to the additional amount of leather on your skin.

Oh, I have some more info on the incident I brought up. http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories...cidental/print

Seems it was a 17 year old who just got the gun for his birthday the day before. He wasn't cleaning it. He was just holding/touching it and had no idea what to do with it. For some reason, there were bullets inside. When the gun fired, the bullet went through a wall in their house and into the head of his mother who had just stood up. Terrible luck and still terribly stupid.

Thanks for the info DblJ. I live in TX so that leather on my back would probably get sweaty and nasty pretty quick.

Then judging by this new info, ultimate blame resides with whoever gave the firearm to him without providing any training.

Smells fishy.

lol it's the sheriff's spokesman who doesn't know who it's from not the shooter, if that's what was fishy to you Heya.

really tragic though

I have a super tuck unfortunately it often hits the cartridge release on my p01.

AAh that makes sense now.