Negative, not for California. It's a huge labyrinth of explicit regiulation, unspoken case law, and vague, "not sure it is or isn't" when it comes to what's legal and what isn't, and where it's legal and where it isn't.

ROFL, seriously? Ever hear of George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates? Not to mention the millions upon millions of free support in the form of advocacy by the media.

I see you're just as ignorant as all the antis, so it doesn't really matter if you own a gun, you're just as bad as they are.

I'd like to read about specifics on the wrong arfcom "standard wisdom". I always appreciate any help identifying bull**** so I can better avoid it.

Guys, I've located my Nirvana.

It's a FB page called "The Army of Pro Gun Trolls".

Seek this out. It's ****ing hilarious. They find gun control FB pages and flood the hell out of them.

Here's a screenshot of the Army decimating a post stating that the failed law was trying to stop online sellers from anonymously shipping guns to private residences.



Here's the photo they were commenting on:

Wanted to share a quick story that I thought some of the folks itt might appreciate. The other day I went to this museum devoted to crime and punishment... Basically, bad guys, good guys, and the way the two groups try to out smart each other.

Anyway, one of the exhibits was this video simulator where they give you something that was basically built like a sig and let you watch this video that plays out a scene where cops have to go into a hostage situation and neutralize the bad guys while hopefully not hurting the hostage. I liked to skeet shoot as a kid, and I was a beast at duck hunt, so I figure I'll give it a try.

The gun is "loaded" with 7 shots:

Trash-talking dude who ran the sim with me: took four shots and made two.

Me: got off 6, and all of them hit one of the two bad guys (aiming at center mass ftw)

Bad guys neutralized, hostage was successfully identified and rescued without injury (stupid criminals didn't know how to properly use a human shield, imo)

Cliffs:
Even though I've debated strongly with a lot of you in the CDH thread, I think y'all must have rubbed off on me

Woo, being intentionally obtuse to create a strawman to argue against for the purpose of silencing people you disagree with! Awesome!

I'm trying to get the Hostile Fire Simulator for our Firearms Simulator.

It's really nice, it syncs up with the screen and when the guy on the screen starts shooting at you it fires these hard foam projectiles the size of ping pong balls at the student in the simulator.

Good for both added realism and trainer entertainment.

I don't know if everyone ITT is aware that I've gone to bat for Illinois freedom, but I have, and I need your help.

Senator Tim Bivens, a Republican Senator from Dixon, Illinois is about to attempt to sell the residents of Chicago and Cook County down the river.

The US Supreme Court has affirmed the fundamental right of American citizens to self defense. The 7th US Court of Appeals has ruled that the Illinois State Statue concerning Unlawful Use of Weapons is Unconstitutional.

Bivens, for some unknown reason of his own, has decided to join forces with a Chicago Senator to deny the citizens of Chicago and Cook County, the fundamental inalienable right to keep and bear arms and force them to get down on their knees and beg the rulers of the Chicago Machine for a permit to carry a concealed firearm. This means that only a favored few, the rich and well-connected, will get a concealed carry permit in Cook County.

But the citizens of the rest of Illinois will not have to beg anyone. Their application will automatically be granted and cannot be denied by some local party bigwig because apparently, Senator Bivins feels they are more important and more deserving of a fundamental right.

Contact Senator Bivens now. Call his District Office in Dixon and his Springfield office and demand that he withdraw his participation in an attempt to subjugate the citizens of Chicago and cook County and deny to them the right to self defense.

Stand up and demand that all Illinois politicians quit the posturing and maneuvering to deny a fundamental right to Illinois citizens. We can no longer let them rule over us. Demand that they become the representatives of Illinois citizens instead of the tyrants and despots that they have become.

Let the fight to regain just governance of Illinois begin here and now. Enough is enough. If we do not start demanding fair and representative service by Illinois politicians, we will become just another third world country teetering on the brink of obscurity.

His contact information:


Senator Tim Bivins ®
45th District

Springfield Office: Senator 45th District M103A Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-0180 (217) 782-9586 FAX District Office: 629 N. Galena Avenue Dixon, IL 61021 (815) 284-0045 (815) 284-0207
Years served: Appointed March 2008 - Present

Committee assignments: Insurance; Criminal Law; Licensed Activities and Pensions; Executive Appointments (Minority Spokesperson); Financial Institutions (Minority Spokesperson); Committee of the Whole; Public Pensions & State Investments; Subcommittee on Charter Schools; Subcommittee on CLEAR Compliance.

From CBS News
Gross. Utterly ****ing sickening. Why does Bivens think Chicagoans are inferior and don't deserve the same safety as the rest of the state!

So you'd rather a bill that's the same for the whole state dies again?

They need to keep pushing for statewide Shall Issue.

The D's are in a hell of a predicament. It's not all been legally hashed out yet, but come 6/9/13 if there's no CCW regs on the books, there won't be a law against CC either, which is going to be essentially "Constitutional Carry".

I believe the GRA's should continue this game of "chicken" until they get statewide shall issue with no local preemptions.

With no statewide law would counties/cities be able to all make their own rules?

That's what's up in the air.

I'm sure it would happen, but I think as a long term strategy that helps the movement, as those will likely be struck down as well

Seems like a risky position to take in the near term.

It is. This isn't about tomorrow.

I'd rather fight some test cases and the good citizens of Illinois have ironclad rights to concealed carry 50 years from now than some "compromise" which will be amended into hell the next legislative session.

Just got off the phone with a friend of mine fighting the good fight with the Illinois State Rifle Association.

We're both rather disappointed in the vague and oppressive "do not carry" list currently being debated. It's designed to intentionally allow tons of latitude to discourage concealed carry. Expect a new position to surface in a few days regarding this issue.

In general, the fascists of Chicago are attempting to control the state, Kwame Raoul and that traitor Tim Bivens being the worst of the worst.

One State, One Law. No local preemption!

It's high time these R's in the state houses realize we won this fight already, we're not still fighting, and if the D's don't want to play nice and work with us to draft the terms of their surrender, we'll just let 6/9 come and let the CCW ban die with no regulations to replace it.

It's time to play hardball. Losers don't get to negotiate the terms of their surrender.

Preach it brother!

I have family in Chicago. I like visiting but holy hell is the local government corrupt to no end.

A nice visual perspective:

90% against 10%?

Deja vu. Man, the 90% are screwed.

I think you missed the debunking of the 90% lie.

Well, if articles like that are the proof of it, I can see how one would miss the debunking.

To be fair, since I first heard the stat on bill maher I assumed it was bull**** anyhow

Just too good a joke to pass up

My god it's refreshing to read someone who's got common sense.

FFS I doubt 90% of polled Americans would agree the sky is blue, let alone agree on ANY question involving guns laws in America.

I wish there was somewhere that would unskew these gun polls for us.

rjoe, not everything needs a detailed explanation.

It's a ridiculous number on its face.

I could say it with about the same level of honesty I could claim 3.5M DGU's occur yearly.

Now, it's really the gun control sides answer to that 3.5M DGUs number. With a moment of thought, you realize the number is absurd. However, like most things, things that get repeated enough become believable somehow.

I can't blame the gun controllers for trying though, because I've used the 3.5M DGU's number. It's fine to take advantage of the stupidity of your opponent. But when you realize your opponent sees through your ****, yet you keep peddling it instead of changing tactics, it makes you look stupid yourself.