Is there any reason not to buy a used gun safe? It would seem like they are never moved and the higher quality ones are basically new even if they are several years old.

I bought mine from a Pawn Shop (they used it for storage prior to going out of business).

I can guarantee you my safe saw more use than anything you'd find on the residential market, defining use as opening and closing, etc.

It's fine.

I'd say as a general rule a true "Safe" you'll be just fine going used.

I wouldn't recommend buying those low end metal pistol boxes used.

Yeah that was kinda my thoughts as well. Awesome. I love looking for deals. It's just not going to be fun moving it.

Just bought and returned the first AR accessory that didn't suit me, a Larue RISR.



I thought this would be just the thing to go with my Aimpoint T1 on a 1/3 cowitness mount. Unfortunately it pushed my cheek weld to the side quite a bit, forcing me to cant my head a bit over the stock. It also caused pulling the charging handle to require significantly more effort.

Heard Izhmash is having problems and we may not see any new imports of Saigas for a while. Figures that as soon as I'm ready to buy they are out of stock..then the market spikes up, and now more aren't coming soon.

WTF

I can't believe I'm poasting ITT, but here goes...

Has anyone ever heard of Wingo? I'm going to take the liberty of quoting Wikipedia verbatim here...

Wingo was about four miles east of where I lived. I never went, being too young during it's brief existence. But it was well advertised, basically as a competitor to bowling leagues, which were rather popular at the time.

The building sat empty for a couple decades, really in an area with not much else around back then, except for the TuVu Drive In Theater (which never actually used the 2nd screen), and Missile Park (no connection to Missile the dog), both of which served as significant locations in my upbringing.

Now the old Wingo building plays an occasional part in my life, as well as all drivers around here every now to then... being this very populated county's main traffic court.

Never heard of it.

Honestly, I'm not surprised it failed. While I'd never heard of that specifically, I've seen several people attempt to "dummy-proof" shooting sports and sell them to the inexperienced shooter.

It never works because you have to sacrifice your hardcore shooter to get the new ones, and it's a bad trade off because you can't keep enough new shooters or the repeat business coming in.

The comparison to bowling leagues shows another flaw in the design, even in bowling once guys cross the divide from going once a year with their wife to taking bowling even semi seriously, they want their own balls/shoes etc.

Also, as a practical matter, attempting this now would be a nightmare simply due to the huge costs of ventilation necessary at a EPA/OSHA compliant gun range that weren't in place in the 1970's.

Just picked up a 9mm M&P Shield to round out my M&P Family. Will be selling my PF-9 now.

Boy this whole schooling thing going on in the CDH thread is an entertaining read.

We've got people there who've never stepped foot on a legitimate shooting range making sure everyone knows all gun owners love to shoot broken tvs, we've got a guy not quite sure how revolvers work, who's just claimed semiautos are easier to conceal.

I guess he's unaware the most common pocket gun CCW carriers use is the .38/.357 snubby.

This thread is great.

All three outdoor gun ranges I have been to in the south have had this sort of stuff going on. The only "legitimate" outdoor shooting environment I've seen in the south is where the lawyers/doctors go to shoot sporting clays. Obviously its a small sample, but 2 of these ranges were in some of the most affluent/educated parts of the south, so I shudder to think what it looks like out in the rural areas.

Yea those people in the middle of no where could be shooting things! It must be awful out there.

DblJ was the one using "shooting TVs" as a pejorative, take it up with him if you think thats responsible use of a firearm.

That was pointed much more at rjoe, where he's not even sure whether the land this occured on was public land or someone's private land, so I'm quite sure no RSO was present, shooters weren't prescreened prior to being allowed on the range, etc.

Personally, I try to avoid the whole outdoor shooting "range" thing like the plague.

As for whether shooting at a TV is "responsible" use of a firearm would hinge on the same factors as an other use or a firearm:

[X] Treat all guns as though they're loaded
[X] Never point the gun at anything you're not willing to destroy
[X] Be sure of your target and what is beyond it
[X] Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

So as long as its your TV Youre destroying, and you're practicing those safe gun handling skills, it's "responsible" shooting.

Now, it still makes you look like a ******.

I'm not adding anything of value, but I enjoyed running 200 rounds through my Smith 9mm today.

Also, I've never seen anyone shoot a TV at a legitimate range.

Yeah I've never seen TVs used as targets before. We have a place to shoot target balls at our range, but that's as crazy as it gets and they are a hell of alot of fun to shoot at.

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I opened the CDH thread once, saw this and hit the back button real quick.

Pretty sure that no legitimate business (range) is going to allow you to shoot TVs. There's about a million things wrong with doing so from the position of an owner.

Out at gravel pits/woods/rural areas? Yeah probably. I've never shot a TV, but I have shot plenty of random junk. Never at a range though. FWIW most of my shooting is not done at a range..then again I live in Maine.

the reason some people act so stupidly with guns is that the liberals have chosen to go with the abstinence over education route. not the most consistent group of individuals, i suppose.

Not really disagreeing, but I'd say it's more that people as a whole are inherently stupid. Most people who act stupidly with a firearm are more than likely to be stupid at most other things. Education would certainly change that, but idiots are always going to be ****ing up one way or another.

In the Phoenix area, I've been to 3 different outdoor ranges and none would let you bring stuff out to shoot at it. Obviously, the indoor ranges I've been to won't let you do that either.

Hendricks, NeBlis:

Are either of you pocket carrying your Shields?

I gave the DeSantis Nemesis a test run when I took the family out to dinner and was somewhat surprised. No real printing issues for me with the short mag. The extended left a small lump that honestly could've been car keys or a lighter as far as people could tell.

I'm still not sold on it since pocket carry feels weird and awkward to me.

Thoughts?

I looked it up and the range is maintained by the Iowa DNR but there was no RSO (at least not one that made himself known or approached anyone) or screening of any kind.

The area in front of the berm had a ton if old debris in it so people bring stuff there all the time. Not sure how often they cleaned it.

I'm a smaller guy and there's no way I could pocket carry my Shield. I could sort of pocket carry my PF9 but that was a little difficult for me. I'll be getting a holster soon and carry the Shield 3-4 o'clock IWB or Appendix carry with a Raven Concealment(really want them to come out with their Vanguard 2 for it)

Edit* in regards to pocket carry I am ok with it. Ill carry whatever way if its in a holster. Some people think I'm crazy for appendix carry but if the trigger is covered its not going to fire.

Haven't started yet since I don't have a good holster for it and I'm still in test mode. I have 250 rounds and 50 of my cary ammo through it. So far I like it. I have carried it around the house and agree with you that it is the ideal compromise on size/weight. And from shooting it is efective. I am gonna get some more mags and do an IDPA match with it.

My man!

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