Here's a fun thread on chiefsplanet politics forum: Somalian immigrant: tosses 5-yr old 40 feet off Mall balcony

Turns out the only evidence they have the guy is Somali or an immigrant is some Q-fan random internet sleuth. The guy is clearly here legally because he's had multiple previous run-ins with the law and is obviously just crazy. Yeah remember it's not about legal immigration? Right - they don't care.

When it's pointed out that there is no evidence the guy is Somali or an immigrant - no one cares. Not the mods or anyone. They're just hating on the POS and calling him an animal and stuff - while the Somali/immigrant stuff seeps into their amygdala and adds to the background radiation of their hatred for both groups.

And then you get a bunch of incredulous posters blaming me for making this a racial/immigrant thing. Not kidding - read the thread.

There's another poster spamming the main forum with a video of 4 burka-clad women fighting, claiming it's from Minneapolis. Someone pointed out it's from Saudi Arabia. No one cares - the emotional propaganda impact has been laid.

That's what a site looks like which has no regard for the truth.

I look forward to the immigrant and black-on-white crime threads in 2p2 Politics 2.0. Chiefsplanet has 'em. Except the black on white one is just called "crime thread".

What up bringing me into this?

lol, i was searching for one of the many threads where fly dunked on me, that was the first one i could find.

No, ask for cite. And if the poster can show (he/she can't, because the zones don't exist) the zones do exist, then conversation needs to shift why and how to fix.

It only becomes a problem when every response to a fact is "It's more complex than that." "Lol" "But you didn't consider xxxx (when the article/cite clearly does.)" And that's what has happened with a lot of liberals. They've come to employ the same rhetorics climate deniers use and I am not sure if they are aware of it.

You gotta at least quote the 3 posts - to show how terrible they were.

And when you point out the zones don't exist, but the poster insists on believing they do based on a daily caller article or something. What then?

Good point. We're down to 2 now though, :P

The other one must have been really good - I don't remember it now.

Hopefully theviolator doesn't go to ATF and get you de-modded.

Let people decide for themselves.

FWIW - I am sympathetic to grizy's points. He and I were getting into a few pretty vigorous debates lately and I think some of the other posters were piling on in a mean-spirited way.

I don't always agree with grizy but he's a very good poster imo - in that he will listen to reason and is always debating in good-faith. It's also so stark how much that sets him apart from a lot of the other right-wing posters. I feel like the other posters should give him a break since this country desperately needs more conservatives to be like him.

The person making the claim of a no-go zone needs to supply corroborated evidence of the no-go zone. Period. They don't get to just believe something outlandish with no evidence, and expect not to be called out on it.

Otherwise you wind up like Chiefsplanet with anti-immigrant propaganda passing as truth.

Do we have to let flat-earthers decide for themselves too? Where is the line?

Shocking that you actually think this just because I proffered a list that a propagandist might follow, really bizarre living in your own head. Everything in your imagination must be true.

So what exactly did you mean by #1 and #2 here?

What's wrong with demanding proof of a claim?

How do you not contradict someone who says something you disagree with in a political forum? Do you expect everyone to just agree with you, even if they disagree with you?


#3-#5 are perfectly valid complaints btw. I just thought #1 and #2 were funny because you seem to think no one should be able to ask for proof or contradict other posters on a political forum.

Exactly what they say and to be followed by the rest of the list. I would think that most propagandist types would be subtle enough to start with 1 and 2 before moving on.

Except everyone on a political forum is going to do #1 and #2. It's a basic function of debate.

Of course and if that's where it ended, great.

Bold added for emphasis. Obviously you don’t get it. Mason made this post in January. A few right wingers that were banned from the politics forum caused this to happen? Juan and Bundy weren’t even posting in this forum. The other day you implied it was Mat’s impulsive reaction to an “over the top” post slamming SHS.

You are a liar.

What exactly is he lying about?

And the meek shall inherit the earth.

i for one hope everyone continues to call right wingers out on their racist beliefs every chance they get. if they want to explain how their beliefs for their dumb ideas aren't racist then they are free to do so.

but they certainly shouldn't get a free pass because people think it will make them uncomfortable being told that their ideas are dumb and or racist. or its just that their beliefs differ from liberal/progressive ones.

anyone is free to let people know some republican policies that aren't based in racism and bigotry as soon as they find some..

People shouldn't have to explain how a policy isn't racist, rather, if you think it is, you should have to explain how.

Is it racist to think that not all immigrants are equal as in, young is better than old, healthy is better than sick, hard working is better than lazy, skilled is better than not, law-abiding is better than not?(this is obviously a potential perspective of someone who believes that nation states should exist, ie. choosing immigrants based on what's best for the country).

If it's not racist then is it also not racist to want to secure the boarder so that a process can be applied to judge potential immigrants and only let in the best ones?

The forum was literally deleted on Friday by Mat in reaction to a poster slamming SHS. What part of what I said are you disputing exactly? Are you not aware of what happened?

Juan and Bundy were posting in ATF the whole time - along with some other trolls - who again were also openly rooting for the forum to die in those same threads - which Mason used as an excuse to claim this forum was creating too much drama or something.

Can you name any actual specific incidents in-between there that led to the forum being nuked? It's kind of hard to quantify "Unless we see significant improvement in how we treat each other here..."

If the metric is "right-wing previously-banned-for-overt-racism trolls, who are openly rooting for the forum's demise, better stop coming to ATF complaining" - then yeah - the Politics forum was never going to make that bar.

its racist to think you get to decide who comes into the country based on some sort of genetic lottery you won to be born on better soil than someone else. to think you get to judge someone as better than someone else is INHERENTLY racist/bigoted. nation states should welcome all immigration because it has been proven time and time again that immigration benefits countries.

Especially a country that prides itself on being the city on a hill and was founded by the exact unfettered immigration that republicans are now trying to control.

not to mention that the administration is trying to lump LEGAL asylum seekers in with immigration is also racist. The US has had numerous hands in creating the turmoil that LEGAL asylum seekers are trying to leave. instead you have conservative CHAMPIONING a policy of detaining asylum seekers and children in cages, those asylum seekers which have i believe a 98% return rate to their LEGAL court cases..

so yeah you're a racist if you agree with noted Racist Stephen miller's immigration policy.


feel free to name a conservative/republican policy and i'll tell you if/how its racist.. or if you want to play a different game, feel free to name a time in history where the "conservatives" were on the right side of history..

unless that is too mean for you and you need a safe space to be a bigot, call out free..

Adios, do you have any thoughts on why Unchained and Augie's playground almost instantly turned into Stormfront? Any pontifications there?