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04-24-2019 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
White women for Trump are the ****ing worst, y'all.
And posts like that are PRECISELY why more and more people can find less and less common ground anywhere NEAR the middle. The never-Trump crowd does everything they can to antagonize ANYONE who voted for the current POTUS.
04-24-2019 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
Do you REALLY believe that EVERY person that ever goes to ANY rally was there based upon a poster?

Someone who had not seen a poster but was instead told about a "Unite the Right" event would have every reason to believe that it was a rally for those who hold conservative views.

It is not at all unreasonable to believe that some who showed up were not expecting the specific content that it turned out existed or the subsequent issues related to the event.

This holds true just as it is not at all unreasonable to believe that some of the protestors that showed up harbored no intent to cause harm while some of the ones that were there fully intended to create physical confrontations or do damage (just as left-leaning, face-hiding, rampaging loons did on Inauguration Day).

So yes, there were in fact reasonable beliefs that there were "good people" on both sides of the political spectrum that attended. But this gets overlooked by the demographic that wants to demonize ANYONE who dares speak in favor of the current officeholder and that dares to voice an opinion that impeachment talk harms the country more than it helps.

I find it laughable that another poster is talking about trying to make the other forum more welcoming to females given that the other site continues to make clear that anyone that has ever voted for a Republican and that favors things like secure borders will not be welcomed.
Yeah, not everyone at a Nazi rally is necessarily a Nazi. Like, I’m sure some of them were just out for an evening stroll and got caught up in a tiki torch rally.
04-24-2019 , 02:29 PM
I'm here to specifically antagonize sexists, and the white women sitting at the right hand of power who enable them.

So, you're even more special. <3
04-24-2019 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
It is not at all unreasonable to believe that some who showed up were not expecting the specific content that it turned out existed or the subsequent issues related to the event.
*michelle showing up for the rally*

"Well I didn't expect all this nazi propaganda, but... we're already here so lets just stay and maybe see what they're serving for lunch, eh??"
04-24-2019 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
And posts like that are PRECISELY why more and more people can find less and less common ground anywhere NEAR the middle. The never-Trump crowd does everything they can to antagonize ANYONE who voted for the current POTUS.
Anyone who voted for Trump is nowhere near the middle and if it was up to me I'd ship y'all over to papa Putin.
04-24-2019 , 02:35 PM
Some poor slob probably thought it was a Jimmy Buffet concert what with all the Tiki torches and white people. That’s an easy mistake to make.
04-24-2019 , 02:40 PM
Pretty sure that Trump just meant that some of the attendees were pretty good looking. I mean, i am as straight and progressive as the next guy, but you gotta admit that Baked Alaska has legs for miles.
04-24-2019 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
I find it laughable that another poster is talking about trying to make the other forum more welcoming to females given that the other site continues to make clear that anyone that has ever voted for a Republican and that favors things like secure borders will not be welcomed.
Yes, that's made very clear especially in the thread Missing Politics Posters:
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I plan later tonight to PM some people who haven't joined with links to this forum. Here are some names I thought up and I would like others to post ones I forgot.


Baltimore Jones
DrModern
Autocratic
goofball
grizy
revots
awval
raradevils
BillHaywood
Crossnerd
DVaut (who has probably already been PM'd 1000x)


I know there was a female poster with a Game of Thrones avatar whose username I can't remember.
04-24-2019 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Anyone who voted for Trump is nowhere near the middle and if it was up to me I'd ship y'all over to papa Putin.
A vote for Trump was better than the alternative, who would have done infinitely more damage to the country. Sadly, the left can never seem to look at the reality that they chose to put forth a candidate that was even MORE polarizing and damaging than DJT.

If you actually had the ability to look over my shoulder at the ballot, however, you would ALSO have seen a mix of candidates with a mix of letters behind their name. I'm a candidate's worst nightmare...I actually look at issues, NOT the letter behind their name. Fortunately, in MY State, we don't have to register to a specific party. The closest we come to something like that is having to choose which of the two primaries we will vote in.

But pissing off the leftist whiners even MORE is that THIS fiscally-conservative yet socially-moderate lesbian is not beholden to an agenda/party that will do me more harm than good. I was one of those voters who was lied to by the previous officeholder with respect to insurance. As a result, I lost a policy that did what *I* needed it to and that cost me less than $2,500.00 per year (which was about $2,400.00 more than I spend annually on medical care). I now have no insurance and put the rare medical expense on American Express. As such, the candidates that got my attention in the past few cycles were the ones that claimed that they would at least make an effort to remedy the problem. Sadly, that has not come to pass.

Of course, it would probably ALSO shock some to know that I have donated to candidates on both sides of the ballot. The key is in ensuring that they are not committed to turning the rest of the country into a literal ****hole like has been permitted up and down the West Coast and that they won't endorse sanctuary city practices.
04-24-2019 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
Yes I'll admit you can't quite come up with a perfect analogy since in this case one side is objectively correct.

My point being that all this Milton Friedman laissez-faire stuff is basically taken on faith. It can be very jarring and upsetting to see it being mercilessly mocked and refuted, and not being able to form coherent arguments in support of it. You are just left feeling that people are *wrong* on the internet, it's just that in this case it's *your* internet. So I can sympathize.

I just wish we could dispense with the whole show about how it's really about the "tone" or lack of "free exchange of ideas", or whatever.
But that’s the way our company has always worked. 2+2 published our first book in 1987 and then the attacks began. If you can find old issues of Poker Player and Card Player you can read some of these including why Mike Caro kept his intense rage to himself. In addition, when I walked into a poker room there was often someone there to hassle me and I even got anonymous phone death threads plus an in person death threat by a well known poker personality (at that time). But our product was always better and it made it easy for us to win the competition with other writers and publishers, and we did this by always recognizing good work by others whether they were associated with 2+2 or not. So, yes, we did follow the ideas of Milton Friedman and sometimes things get rough, but that’s the way things ofwork. But the end result can be well worth it for almost everyone, and that’s what I think is happening now.

Best wishes,
Mason
04-24-2019 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Totally unnecessary personal attack that imo violates the stated rules. I get your upset about what happened. Let’s for arguments sake that Mat made a huge mistake regarding the vaya post. How should he have corrected that mistake in your view? Would you acknowledge that he has made a good faith effort to correct that mistake? I think a lot of posters have moved on from it.
Ins0 said the cool kids insulted SHS's looks. That is a lie. It was two posters who barely post. He knows that.
04-24-2019 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
Do you REALLY believe that EVERY person that ever goes to ANY rally was there based upon a poster?
And when they got there and saw the Nazi flags? Then what?
04-24-2019 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Ins0 said the cool kids insulted SHS's looks. That is a lie. It was two posters who barely post. He knows that.
If you do a search of posts containing "huckabeast" you will find boat loads of insulting posts by regs.
04-24-2019 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Let’s for arguments sake that Mat made a huge mistake regarding the vaya post. How should he have corrected that mistake in your view?
Wild idea but maybe he could have just permabanned vaya and deleted the post instead of ordering the mods to do it at 11 on a Friday night. In fact the post so bad it shut the forum down is still just hanging out in the thread it was posted in.

Last edited by otatop; 04-24-2019 at 03:06 PM.
04-24-2019 , 03:00 PM
The rally in question was hosted by Richard Spencer, whose site once hosted this gem: https://web.archive.org/web/20120216...genocide-right

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Is Black Genocide Right?

We’ve been asking all the wrong questions

By Colin Liddell

It strikes me that one of the main things about having a good debate is how it is framed. Get that right and the chances are something good will be the outcome. However, for too long now, when we consider questions of race, especially questions concerning the Black race, we have been framing things in completely the wrong way. Instead of asking how we can make reparations for slavery, colonialism, and Apartheid or how we can equalize academic scores and incomes, we should instead be asking questions like, "Does human civilization actually need the Black race?" "Is Black genocide right?" and, if it is, "What would be the best and easiest way to dispose of them?" With starting points like this, wisdom is sure to flourish, enlightenment to dawn
It's SUPREME gaslighting to suggest ANYONE was there under confused or false pretenses. It was a white supremacists rally. They chanted "Jews will not replace us" on the first night.

You really have to do mental backflips to imagine anyone wound up there is a "fine person" - unless your definition of fine person includes white supremacists - which of course we know it does in Trump's case.

Last edited by suzzer99; 04-24-2019 at 03:10 PM.
04-24-2019 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
And posts like that are PRECISELY why more and more people can find less and less common ground anywhere NEAR the middle. The never-Trump crowd does everything they can to antagonize ANYONE who voted for the current POTUS.
When a person asks for reasonable gun control measures, they are asking for reasonable gun control measures

Just because someone else screams that person is waging a war on guns doesn't mean it's actually happening. That person's ignorance is not anyone else's problem. That person's refusal to address reality isn't anyone else's problem either
04-24-2019 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
But that’s the way our company has always worked. 2+2 published our first book in 1987 and then the attacks began. If you can find old issues of Poker Player and Card Player you can read some of these including why Mike Caro kept his intense rage to himself. In addition, when I walked into a poker room there was often someone there to hassle me and I even got anonymous phone death threads plus an in person death threat by a well known poker personality (at that time). But our product was always better and it made it easy for us to win the competition with other writers and publishers, and we did this by always recognizing good work by others whether they were associated with 2+2 or not. So, yes, we did follow the ideas of Milton Friedman and sometimes things get rough, but that’s the way things ofwork. But the end result can be well worth it for almost everyone, and that’s what I think is happening now.

Best wishes,
Mason
Oh. So this forum is another example of the result(failure) of libertarian principles - if you want vigorous debate and let everyone post freely you will get bullying and name-calling that shuts down the debate.

I've learned my lesson.
04-24-2019 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
If you do a search of posts containing "huckabeast" you will find boat loads of insulting posts by regs.
Yeah and we had a big throwdown about that to tell some of them to stop doing it. You gonna nuke OOT for misogyny too?

The funny part is the crocodile tears over casual misogyny as a reason to nuke the forum - from the same crowd who constantly complain about snowflakes, lighten up Francis, **** your feelings, etc. It's nice that so many of you are born again feminists. But I suspect this will be short-lived when its usefulness has worn out.

Last edited by suzzer99; 04-24-2019 at 03:07 PM.
04-24-2019 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
And when they got there and saw the Nazi flags? Then what?
Do agree with EVERY left-leaning individual YOU might run across? My guess is that, if you are capable of being honest, the answer is no. Yet you likely have some commonalities with those persons you would generally disagree with.

Too many people seem to believe that the United States citizenry marches in absolute lockstep to one of two positions. Except that they never have and they never will. But the push towards the new McCarthyism does nothing but further the divide and piss off the moderates in the middle (witness the New Yorkers pissed off about the loss of jobs and income or the people in SFO that have to dodge human feces on their way to work or the people in Los Angeles that have real concerns about the return of typhus).
04-24-2019 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Also no lols enough in the world for shutting down a politics forum for not being sufficiently in line with the libertarian teachings of Orwell's 1984.

Petition for a high school English class sub-forum.
Given how little attention some people appear to have paid in high-school English class, that might be an idea.
04-24-2019 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
If you do a search of posts containing "huckabeast" you will find boat loads of insulting posts by regs.
Ms. OOT says "Hi."
04-24-2019 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
Do agree with EVERY left-leaning individual YOU might run across?
No, but I don't go to rallies organized by white supremacists, and if by some weird accident I find myself at a rally marching with Nazis, I leave.

Why is this so hard?
04-24-2019 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I figured Ted Cruz was just a random name. Do you have any specific instances of anyone calling anyone like Ted Cruz a nazi or is that just a hypothetical thought experiment as well?
Well, last November Ezra Levin indirectly called Cruz a neo-Nazi sympathiser because he made a sympathy phone call to Iowa Representative Steve King. Rep King has often been described as white-supremacist, anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic.



Rep King also has just said he's like Christ on the Cross because he's been removed from certain House committees due to accusations of racism. He appears not to recognise that crucifixion under the Roman Empire was just slightly worse than a mere loss of privilege.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iowa-st...controversies/
04-24-2019 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
A vote for Trump was better than the alternative, who would have done infinitely more damage to the country. Sadly, the left can never seem to look at the reality that they chose to put forth a candidate that was even MORE polarizing and damaging than DJT.

If you actually had the ability to look over my shoulder at the ballot, however, you would ALSO have seen a mix of candidates with a mix of letters behind their name. I'm a candidate's worst nightmare...I actually look at issues, NOT the letter behind their name. Fortunately, in MY State, we don't have to register to a specific party. The closest we come to something like that is having to choose which of the two primaries we will vote in.

But pissing off the leftist whiners even MORE is that THIS fiscally-conservative yet socially-moderate lesbian is not beholden to an agenda/party that will do me more harm than good. I was one of those voters who was lied to by the previous officeholder with respect to insurance. As a result, I lost a policy that did what *I* needed it to and that cost me less than $2,500.00 per year (which was about $2,400.00 more than I spend annually on medical care). I now have no insurance and put the rare medical expense on American Express. As such, the candidates that got my attention in the past few cycles were the ones that claimed that they would at least make an effort to remedy the problem. Sadly, that has not come to pass.

Of course, it would probably ALSO shock some to know that I have donated to candidates on both sides of the ballot. The key is in ensuring that they are not committed to turning the rest of the country into a literal ****hole like has been permitted up and down the West Coast and that they won't endorse sanctuary city practices.
You're a white supremacist.
04-24-2019 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
You're a white supremacist.
And a mark.

      
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