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03-20-2015 , 09:57 PM

#126

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

all you've done is present a poll, which i just discredited with my words and facts.

the problem with that gallop question is that it's entrenched ideology. so, in reality, when you ask ACA, ya or nay? that's how you get this disconnect between the way we see this.

protip: don't let gallop do your thinking.

feltstein just argued that if someone supports the ACA, they must support universal health care.

Bro, you know that's not the same thing right?

Right?

RIGHT?

03-20-2015 , 10:03 PM

#127

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who is feltstein?

anyways... ya... isn't it designed to give the working poor a 'free ride'? i wouldn't say that's a far leap.

ikes really takes it to the streets when he is losing on the logic front. getting buckwild.

03-20-2015 , 10:08 PM

#128

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anyways... ya... isn't it designed to give the working poor a 'free ride'?

No. It isn't.

03-20-2015 , 10:18 PM

#129

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oh... so poor people don't get free health care now? really getting into no-man's land, ikes. the medicaid expansion was a big part of ACA.

03-20-2015 , 10:26 PM

#130

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

oh... so poor people don't get free health care now?

the working poor are largely still not on medicaid. Medicaid isn't free either.

03-20-2015 , 10:26 PM

#131

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the single group helped most by ACA has been? you guessed it ikes, poor people. the public knows this and seems ok with it. not a leap to say they'd support a single payer system.

03-20-2015 , 10:28 PM

#132

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

the working poor are largely still not on medicaid. Medicaid isn't free either.

only because republican governors are ****'s who put petty politics in front of human lives.

and medicaid is free. for the person receiving it anyway.

03-20-2015 , 10:30 PM

#133

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no, it's not. Regardless, even if the medicaid expansion was in every state, it's still such a low threshold that it does not cover most of the working poor. You're completely clueless. Again.

03-20-2015 , 10:31 PM

#134

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

inherited wealth is bad for democracy. these are founding principles.

read de tocqueville's 'democracy in america'. he said something along the lines of "america's inheritance tax creates an incentive for the next generation to make something of it on their own."

why do you people only want 'incentive' for poors?

personally, i think paris hilton's little jerk-off brother could use some 'incentive'.

i wanted to bump this, no one responded to it, and i think it's ****ing brilliant.

03-20-2015 , 10:34 PM

#135

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

no, it's not. Regardless, even if the medicaid expansion was in every state, it's still such a low threshold that it does not cover most of the working poor. You're completely clueless. Again.

first off, not all poors work. secondly, many poors make under 130% (or whatever the number is) of the poverty line.

once again, you're thinking of ****ty red states where the figure is $200/year.

you're intellectually bankrupt and becoming annoying fast. do better or GTFO.

03-20-2015 , 10:40 PM

#136

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

first off, not all poors work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoundintTheUnder

isn't it designed to give the working poor a 'free ride'?

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secondly, many poors make under 130% (or whatever the number is) of the poverty line.

not working poors. Regardless, these people are still subject to medicaid copays. It's not free.

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once again, you're thinking of ****ty red states where the figure is $200/year.

No.

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you're intellectually bankrupt and becoming annoying fast. do better or GTFO.

No u.

03-20-2015 , 10:56 PM

#137

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oh ya? my dad lives with me. he had major health issues (he's trying to get disability, which he's completely entitled to and has been getting ****ed over on for 3 years), is busto and doesn't pay **** when he goes to the doc on medicaid. so....??? you're wrong. i'm in nevada, which is a red state, maybe a purple state.

ikes, c'mon bro, you're looking ridiculous at this point.

03-20-2015 , 10:59 PM

#138

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you're thinking of medicare. that's the one that has co-pays. c'mon doc.

03-20-2015 , 11:06 PM

#139

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yawn... i'm sure you'll admit you're wrong.

03-21-2015 , 12:03 AM

#140

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good lord guy. the first thing it says is "the state CAN impose co-pays."

do you know anyone on medicaid? the people i know don't pay anything. and even if they did, the max is $4, $8, and $75 if you're hospitalized, hardly prohibitive.

enough guy, i've smacked you around long enough.

03-21-2015 , 05:10 AM

#141

2/325Falcon

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Amazing thread. Please retitle to The People's Hot Takes tia.

03-21-2015 , 08:53 AM

#142

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

The max is 20%. Charts, how do they work?

03-21-2015 , 02:37 PM

#143

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

The max is 20%. Charts, how do they work?

ok, except for the part where states aren't doing that.

nevada is a ****ty red state, doesn't do it. washington is a good blue state, doesn't do it.

states can impose, isn't the same thing as all states impose.

03-21-2015 , 04:39 PM

#144

raradevils

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Originally Posted by will1530

Tell your kids to get a damn job.

except it's my money that I earned and what part of that should the gov't be entitled to. After all, they already taxed it once and this is after what they taxed.

03-21-2015 , 05:06 PM

#145

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Originally Posted by raradevils

except it's my money that I earned and what part of that should the gov't be entitled to. After all, they already taxed it once and this is after what they taxed.

rara, answer this please:

inherited wealth is bad for democracy. these are founding principles.

read de tocqueville's 'democracy in america'. he said something along the lines of "america's inheritance tax creates an incentive for the next generation to make something of it on their own."

why do you people only want 'incentive' for poors?

personally, i think paris hilton's little jerk-off brother could use some 'incentive'.

03-21-2015 , 05:26 PM

#146

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is ikes ready to acknowledge that medicaid is in fact, free?

03-21-2015 , 05:34 PM

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i mean... free healthcare for poor people sounds a lot like a single payer system.

lol ikes.

now that we have seen that 40 something percent of people are fine free HC for the poor and another almost 20 percent don't think ACA is liberal enough. you can see how i deduce that the overwhelming majority would support a single payer system.

any other beefs with the peoples budget kiddo?

03-21-2015 , 06:08 PM

#148

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

is ikes ready to acknowledge that medicaid is in fact, free?

You've been shown this is not true.

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

i mean... free healthcare for poor people sounds a lot like a single payer system.

You clearly don't know what single payer means.

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now that we have seen that 40 something percent of people are fine free HC for the poor and another almost 20 percent don't think ACA is liberal enough. you can see how i deduce that the overwhelming majority would support a single payer system.

lol so you can ignore poll after poll that shows americans don't want universal coverage.

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any other beefs with the peoples budget kiddo?

Well yeah, but not that I'm going to discuss seriously with you.

03-21-2015 , 06:16 PM

#149

grizy

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It's true even with Medicaid you can run up large bills.

Medicaid will try to collect from you, asking you (in effect) to hit up family for money. But if that well is dry (it usually is), then Medicaid just foots the whole bill.

03-21-2015 , 06:19 PM

#150

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

You've been shown this is not true.

You clearly don't know what single payer means.

lol so you can ignore poll after poll that shows americans don't want universal coverage.

Well yeah, but not that I'm going to discuss seriously with you.

you showed one poll (which i've discredited). you showed another thing about how the state CAN impose co-pays and seem to ignore how i tell you it's not happening.

single payer: government paying for you to go to a private doctor.

you still seem confused about medicaid co-pays.

you're losing this argument, badly.

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