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Paul Manafort: Guilty on 8 Charges, No Verdict on 10 Paul Manafort: Guilty on 8 Charges, No Verdict on 10

08-17-2018 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
So why is CNN sueing for the names and addresses of Jurors?
To interview them. Not to publish their names or addresses.
08-17-2018 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
To interview them. Not to publish their names or addresses.
Seems like the jurors could just go to cnn if they wanted to talk.
08-17-2018 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Seems like the jurors could just go to cnn if they wanted to talk.
They could, but they usually don't. And especially not if death threats are being thrown around. If they did interview them, it would likely be under some type of disguise, or not on camera at all.
08-18-2018 , 10:05 AM
Can jurors prevent their names from being made piblic? Not sure if that is or should be something the public has a right to know.
08-18-2018 , 11:37 AM
Jurors names are pretty much always a matter of public record after the trial. It is a good rule so that there is transparency. I do feel bad for them in this case as regardless of outcome they are going to catch some hell. Especially if they convict Manafort, they will be stalked and catch death threats for a couple years at least.
08-18-2018 , 01:06 PM
Imagine Paul Manafort being the hill you choose to die on and stalking a random juror b/c you don't like the decision.
08-20-2018 , 11:49 AM
As a hedge, this would be a good Andrew was wrong segment.

https://twitter.com/openargs/status/...581653504?s=19
08-21-2018 , 11:40 AM
Seems suboptimal for Man of Fort

08-21-2018 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Seems suboptimal for Man of Fort

This is the first piece of promising news I've taken away from the entire trial. Good. I assume the count they're hung up on is the one involving the business where Manafort owned exactly 50%.

Of course, in 3 hours it will come out that they're not guilty on all charges, but one stickler thought he should have paid taxes on SOME of the income.
08-21-2018 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Seems suboptimal for Man of Fort

IANAL but this does seem like a good development.

Line check: Over the weekend on Predictit I bought shares of “Will Manafort be found guilty of 11-20 counts” at 0.46. Was that a smart play?
08-21-2018 , 11:59 AM
Good. **** this piece of trash.
08-21-2018 , 12:00 PM
I read that headline and thought "a single" = "any", my heart is doing much better now that I read it in the likely proper way.
08-21-2018 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I read that headline and thought "a single" = "any", my heart is doing much better now that I read it in the likely proper way.
+1
08-21-2018 , 12:13 PM
I was already 100% prepared mentally for a single deplorable to hang the jury on all counts. Now I'm getting sucked back in. Right now I feel how I felt during the Ohio State / Michigan game in 2006 in the instant before the roughing the passer flag was thrown.
08-21-2018 , 12:21 PM
Zoe Tillman saying this means they are hung on at least one—still could be more. But almost certain they have verdicts on most of the others
08-21-2018 , 12:25 PM
There's virtually no way they're at Not Guilty on all but one count given the charges
08-21-2018 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
There's virtually no way they're at Not Guilty on all but one count given the charges
My best guess is a handful at most undecided with a high likelihood of one, and the rest guilty.
08-21-2018 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
There's virtually no way they're at Not Guilty on all but one count given the charges
This. I’ve learned to never say never with a jury, but based on the counts I just can’t construct a scenario where they are not guilty on 17 counts but still think he might be guilty on one, it just wouldn't make sense based upon the grouping of charges. . This coupled with the note from last week means it's a high likelihood they are hung up on the FBAR count. If so, whatever, he's facing 280 years instead of 300 years. The complete absence of other notes or request for readback also supports this.

Edit:. Caveat, I've conducted something like 70-80 jury trials in my career and I've learned that anything is possible with a jury.
08-21-2018 , 12:52 PM
Let's say he's found guilty and is going to prison the rest of his life. Can he plea bargain w/ Mueller or will Mueller just LOL and say "You had your chance dip****."
08-21-2018 , 12:59 PM
He can still deal, but obviously with way less leverage.
08-21-2018 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
This. I’ve learned to never say never with a jury, but based on the counts I just can’t construct a scenario where they are not guilty on 17 counts but still think he might be guilty on one, it just wouldn't make sense based upon the grouping of charges. . This coupled with the note from last week means it's a high likelihood they are hung up on the FBAR count. If so, whatever, he's facing 280 years instead of 300 years. The complete absence of other notes or request for readback also supports this.

Edit:. Caveat, I've conducted something like 70-80 jury trials in my career and I've learned that anything is possible with a jury.
Also, even the phrasing of the question here is really good for the prosecution. The media is reporting that the jury asked "about the impact of not reaching consensus on one charge.". If it was 17 not guilties they wouldn't need to ask this quesrion. They just want to make sure that if they're hung on one charge it doesn't mean they can't convict him on the other 17. I had a similar question from a jury on a murder trial once where they were hung up on one of the lesser charges. They ultimately convicted on the murder and acquitted on another related lesser charge.
08-21-2018 , 01:10 PM
Also If this now comes out the way I think it will, again based on the lack of questions since that first day I wouldn't be surprised if we learned that the jury basically had him convicted on 17/18 charges that first day and the spent the last 4 days arguing over this one charge. Remember that the judges answer to their questions on this charge was a non-answer.
08-21-2018 , 01:37 PM
Chiefsplanet is estatic about this, bless their hearts.
08-21-2018 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
He can still deal, but obviously with way less leverage.
rofl - he's getting a pardon from Trump. This entire trial has been a freeroll for him.
08-21-2018 , 01:44 PM
Donny can't pardon him out of his state trial coming up.

      
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