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05-26-2018 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
If you watch the whole video, at the very end the guy is like "lol see that's what calls for gun control sound like" but THEN if you KEEP watching he's like "but really, the only thing that's going to stop school shootings is muzzling the fake news media"
I think he chooses his words carefully enough. He basically says that a govt law is wrong, but media should take it upon themselves to not report or something along those lines. I don't think he does enough to contradict himself. Nevertheless the whole thing was a pretty weak attempt at satire and I wish I could get my 4 min back.

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my deplorable friends were super mad that I didn't WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO so I'm guessing this is some sort of talking point thing that they thought was going to be a KILLER ARGUMENT but it's blowing up in their face. Just read the comments of that tweet, there are tons of deplorables who are like "yeah it just makes sense, silence the media"
Bolded is hilarious and I guess at this point completely expected.

BTW, how can you actually be friends with deplorables?
05-26-2018 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I think its less about coverage and more about the naming and announcing of the shooters.

These things can be covered very well without ever mentioning the shooters name or showing their picture. Notoriety can be a driver for these shooters, why give it to them? Unless the shooter is on the loose, what is gained by splashing his picture on every 24/7 news station in the country?
To his credit, Anderson Cooper has been refusing to name killers for a while now.

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05-26-2018 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I think its less about coverage and more about the naming and announcing of the shooters.

These things can be covered very well without ever mentioning the shooters name or showing their picture. Notoriety can be a driver for these shooters, why give it to them? Unless the shooter is on the loose, what is gained by splashing his picture on every 24/7 news station in the country?
I'm not convinced that attention-seeking is a huge factor in these shootings. Being a victim of bullying seems to be more of a motivating factor. We're not seeing popular students committing these crimes even though they may love attention. More often it seems the shooter feels hopeless and lashes out at his oppressors.

As for mentioning their names, its part of the story, and its relevant. Knowing who they are and something about their personalities can give us insight into their motivations. To expect the media to conspire to suppress relevant information for reasons that are kind of fuzzy seems to be an overreaction. Its like the video game argument. Maybe it has some merit, but do we all agree its time to ban violent video games?
05-26-2018 , 08:14 AM
I'm not so sure how much I buy the whole attention-seeking thing. Normally when people seek attention, they post Photoshopped selfies on Instagram that show off their "good side" or type vague status updates on Facebook.
05-26-2018 , 10:32 AM
the pro gun arguments itt are absolutely pathetic
05-26-2018 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
I'm not so sure how much I buy the whole attention-seeking thing. Normally when people seek attention, they post Photoshopped selfies on Instagram that show off their "good side" or type vague status updates on Facebook.
Not sure how "normal" attention seeking activities applies to school shooters.

I have a big problem with media outlets doing 24/7 coverage of the shooter's background and acting as criminal psychologist while essentially giving the shooter a platform.

Headlines like the following are counterproductive

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44194074
05-26-2018 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
I'm not convinced that attention-seeking is a huge factor in these shootings. Being a victim of bullying seems to be more of a motivating factor. We're not seeing popular students committing these crimes even though they may love attention. More often it seems the shooter feels hopeless and lashes out at his oppressors.And is a white male.
FYP. Apparently minorities, women and LGBT kids never get bullied.

I do agree that national notoriety may not be as much of a factor as local (IE - getting back at kids within that school). But I'm still in favor of almost never mentioning the shooter's name or showing their picture.
05-26-2018 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
As for mentioning their names, its part of the story, and its relevant. Knowing who they are and something about their personalities can give us insight into their motivations.
but do WE really need to know their personalities or motivations? How does that help? And even if we do, its possible to say "The shooter was a person who some describe as isolated and alone, and had made threats both verbally and written in the days leading up to the attack." This does not tell us the shooter's name or show his picture, and provides the relevant info.

It is possible to cover this newsworthy event as news without sensationalism. We aren't doing that now.
05-26-2018 , 02:25 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpqua...llege_shooting

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The last upload on the account, three days before the Umpqua shooting, was a documentary on the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[56][57] According to the Los Angeles Times, unnamed law enforcement sources described him as a "hate-filled" man with antireligious and white supremacist leanings, and with long-term mental-health issues.
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On the day of the shooting, Harper-Mercer gave a survivor numerous writings showing he had studied mass killings, including the 2014 killing spree at Isla Vista, California.[63] These expressed his sexual frustration as a virgin, animosity toward black men, and a lack of fulfillment in his isolated life.[64][65][66] In them, he said "Other people think I'm crazy, but I'm not. I'm the sane one,"[67] and that he would be "welcomed in Hell and embraced by the devil."[68] He also reportedly admired the perpetrator of the WDBJ shooting for the fame received, and wrote that: "A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day."
Report the incident. Stop the faces and names. "The shooter" works fine.
05-26-2018 , 10:56 PM
I'm all for tighter control of media reporting on these incidents but in the internet age I'm not sure how much good it would do. Name and face would still be instantly all over Reddit etc. Worth a try though.
05-26-2018 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
but do WE really need to know their personalities or motivations? How does that help? And even if we do, its possible to say "The shooter was a person who some describe as isolated and alone, and had made threats both verbally and written in the days leading up to the attack." This does not tell us the shooter's name or show his picture, and provides the relevant info.

It is possible to cover this newsworthy event as news without sensationalism. We aren't doing that now.
There are a couple of situations where names are commonly withheld. One is in the case of rape victims. Rarely are their names released. I believe this is to protect them from embarrassment or humiliation. Now it could be argued that women should not be ashamed in rape cases, but that view apparently hasn't taken hold enough to change the tradition of not identifying rape victims.

The other is in the case of juveniles charged with lesser crimes. The logic for that again is to save them from the embarrassment of publicity, because, since they are young, they are redeemable. Your logic for not identifying mass killers is for an entirely different reason, though one could make an argument that withholding the name does spare them and their families from humiliation as well.

When discussing this, one could also ask if serial killers get the same consideration. There have been several occasions where the defendants appear to love the notoriety. I dunno. Its a worthy topic. We'll see how its addressed over time. My general view is that the media is in the business of reporting information, not withholding it. And I guess I get concerned when people advocate a reduction of information released to the public.
05-26-2018 , 11:19 PM
Trump lies to the public pretty much every day he isn't playing golf and the MSM just normalizes it. FOX lies to the public almost as much as Trump does and nothing happens to them. Why not dream of a future where news organizations are held to a standard of proof and correctness instead of just wishing we could make rules abridging free speech to keep the name of murderers out of the news.
05-26-2018 , 11:42 PM
I dont think a law should be passed. It would obviously be voluntary on the part of the news outlets.

I am fine with releasing the name once but I am not ok with the constant attention devoted to psychoanalyzing the shooter and reporting on his background. Same feeling towards serial killers.
05-27-2018 , 12:59 AM
Regulating the media content like that would be horrible. You don't keep giving government more power and then be shocked when some ******* abuses it. Remember, when you pass the Truth in Media or No Names for Killers law that some Trump appointee is going to be administering it and twisting it whatever way they can.
05-27-2018 , 02:01 AM
No need for law. Shame could do it.

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"A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day."
DON'T FEED THIS
05-27-2018 , 02:17 AM
That's cool imo.
05-27-2018 , 07:58 AM
It's plausible that there's a link between media reporting and motivation for crime.

On the other hand, those other first world nations that have solved the school shooting problem did it through gun control first.

So how about trying the thing that definitely works and then, if there's still a problem, you can try the thing that maybe might have a bit of an impact.
05-27-2018 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I'm all for tighter control of media reporting on these incidents but in the internet age I'm not sure how much good it would do. Name and face would still be instantly all over Reddit etc. Worth a try though.
If credible sources don't fill the void then those looking to deliberately spread misinformation will have a field day. Every single one of these shooters might end up being a Muslim in the minds of millions of Americans if the perpetrators are not identified because that's what the derposphere will be telling them.
05-27-2018 , 01:20 PM
Lol @ the good-guy-with-gun slam dunk attempt. Here's a mind-blowing thought: if the bad guys didn't have guns, we wouldn't need random good guys w/ guns to shoot them in the back after some good guys without guns were already murdered!

But imo the solution to school shootings is to have all students prepare by playing Active Shooter as the civilian role. It's available June 6th, from the maker of "White Power: Pure Voltage"
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Be the good guy or the bad guy. The choice is yours! Only in "Active Shooter", you will be able to pick the role of an Elite S.W.A.T team member or the actual shooter. Your objective would be either to neutralize the target (active shooter) or be the target himself. Depending on the role, your objective might be to protect and extract or hunt and destroy.

Civilian survival mode will be added...where you will be able to pick a role of an civilian in a survival mode.
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Popular user-defined tags for this product: Family Friendly
My only gripe is that it doesn't have an armed teacher mode.
05-29-2018 , 03:06 PM
Wow, this adios guy is just a despicable human being.
05-29-2018 , 10:05 PM
And the next thing in line to be blamed for school shootings is... *spins big wheel of right-wing scapegoats*... porn? Might need to respin here, they can't blame THAT for it. Can they?

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During a meeting last week with local pastors, [Diane Black (R-TN)] raised the issue of gun violence in schools and why it keeps happening.

“Pornography,” she said.

“It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there,” she continued. “All of this is available without parental guidance. I think that is a big part of the root cause.”
I stand corrected.
05-29-2018 , 10:47 PM
There's porn at the grocery store? Man, I've been missing out all this time.
05-29-2018 , 10:56 PM
Yeah, the less-obvious LOL there is the terminal case of the olds you have to have to imagine that paper magazines at the grocery store is the way that a single modern teenager ever accesses pornography. There's this thing called the internet.
05-29-2018 , 11:02 PM
Dominic has blood on his hands.
05-30-2018 , 12:02 AM
The subtext here is that this Congresscritter has had some peon doing her grocery shopping for her for like the past 20 years.

      
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