Parkland Kids: Is this time really different? March For Our Lives - Page 2 - Politics and Economics

If the media is ignoring swastikas in favor of maintaining the anti-gun narrative of some high school kids, then I'll concede.

But I suspect your use of the term "Nazi" in this case is a little on the loose side, hence the lack of attention.

rofl now that Sushy is gone, Inso0 feels the need to step in as the resident SEBASTIAN GORKA TRUTHER

02-22-2018 , 05:48 PM

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stinkubus

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Do you follow world affairs at all Inso0? The Le Pens are still Nazis.

02-22-2018 , 05:48 PM

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kerowo

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Originally Posted by Victor

we have already had another one.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...elf_at_ja.html

and then just a few cities over a bunch of kids got arrested after ppl overheard them talking about the planning of a shooting.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...hool_stud.html

Oh, well, **** it. Mark them as truant and lets go back to bitching about everything. Hey, you know what's the new cool challenge on Youtube? Sucking on a tail pipe, why don't you try it?

02-22-2018 , 05:52 PM

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I mean, I only know about that shooting bc it happened in my backyard (and bc the kid shot himself on accident before he could run thru his backpack full of ammo) but I am gonna bet that theres been others that only made local news as well.

02-22-2018 , 05:54 PM

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Adrianople

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This time is no different. In a week, maybe two, this country will likely forget about this one.

02-22-2018 , 06:16 PM

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Do you follow world affairs at all Inso0? The Le Pens are still Nazis.

Ah but do they admit to being Nazis? The right is very adamant that someone has to call themselves a Nazi for them to be Nazis.

No problem calling high school students planted actors to try to grab our guns, though.

02-22-2018 , 06:19 PM

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Matty Lice

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Originally Posted by Adrianople

This time is no different. In a week, maybe two, this country will likely forget about this one.

No. Compare this to the coverage of the Vegas shooter. It's definitely different.

02-22-2018 , 07:26 PM

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fatboy8

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Originally Posted by Chippa58

The kids have shown a tremendous amount of courage and sense, but I think its asking a bit much for them to carry the torch on this issue indefinitely. They have to eventually put this behind them and move on with their lives for this is in many ways a depressing and demoralizing cause. For now they're doing great, and a few may continue speaking out, but they need to be able to hand off the ball to some group keep up the intensity. What they've done so far though is beyond amazing.

I disagree with this. Who are they supposed to hand it off to? The same people that were outraged for a week after the Vegas shooting?

These kids are the torch carriers, and I don't think they're going to move on until something substantial is done. I imagine watching your friends die by bullets in front of you can supply a person with a lifetime of energy and rage on this topic.

02-22-2018 , 07:33 PM

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Loki

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Originally Posted by Inso0

So no Nazis, just people that knew some Nazis. Got it.

kindly explain what evidence you require to label someone a nazi

I suppose gorka sporting their apparel doesn't count because reasons

02-22-2018 , 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverman

These kids are some of the most inspiring people I've ever seen. I can't watch them without tearing up.

They've already had more success in one week than anyone has on this issue during my life time. It's awesome.

Can they sustain it? Will it matter?

It sure feels different to me. Republicans have no answer. They can't credibly attack kids. They can't bully media into both sidesing and whatabouting. Unlike Democratic politicians, they say what they want and why it's a good idea. And they are just so real.

I've lived half my life with hateful, selfish, lying Republicans in charge. Maybe this is a turning point.

Everything has changed in recent years. Enabling these inspiring kids is what has changed. Previously they would have had no voice.

It will take time but it's irresistible

02-22-2018 , 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I say **** the negativity, let's at least act like we can make some kind of progress.

1+. I get being realistic but lets not roll over and die. There are plenty of positive signs, like dems flipping tons of deep red area's, even if they're small low turnout special elections. It shows dems are motivated.

Dunno about the states but I think if you take every voting age person in the US, they vastly out number the conservatives. It's just most don't care, or are uneducated, or feel they can't make a difference. Once they start getting motivated conservatives don't got a chance.

02-22-2018 , 08:13 PM

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It is not one private citizen's job to fund the entirety of the gun control side
There seems to be nothing this person would do, as their paycheck would be insufficient to counter the NRA bribes
It sounds an awful lot like blaming the victims. The pro-gun control side is not the problem. The NRA and the GOP are the problems.
Celebrities supporting causes can bring more attention, and thus more donations, to those causes. This multiplier effect would be greater than a single large donation.

That’s just what I could come up with off the top of my head without really thinking about it very deeply. Perhaps you’d like to explain how shallowly you considered your post before making it?

The NRA is not going away, and they will continue to influence politics with private money, so the other side should do the same. They are going to keep pounding this harder the next few weeks - how long can the teenagers keep it up? The NRA spokesman was very god last night at the town hall - the opposition needs some just as good on their side.

The liberals will be stunned again if they sit on the sidelines and hope emotional teenagers change everything.

02-22-2018 , 08:14 PM

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I know it's partisan but David Hogg has a Twitter poll asking if you plan on voting for Rick Scott based on not showing up last night. It's currently 96/4 a no vote lol.

02-22-2018 , 08:16 PM

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97% want gun reform. It's not just liberals. It's conservatives that are fed up too.

02-22-2018 , 08:19 PM

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I'd say half of people currently in high school nationwide will be able to vote in 2020. So yeah, hopefully this will finally put an end to the republicans, or, what the rest of the sane world calls fringe right wing lunatics from imposing their will on the American populace and we can finally progress into the 21st century.

02-22-2018 , 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by businessdude

It wont all be steps forwards but the pressure will build and build over time until the atrocities stop.

Just saw the head? of the NRA saying how scared he was about European 'socialist' types taking over. It's not socialism but he is right to be scared and he knows it.

The NRA power is largely based on a bluff and it's going to get called.

02-22-2018 , 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by businessdude

By private money, you mean the trail of money funneled from Russian oligarchs into the NRA and then illegally used to fund Trump's campaign? If you havent heard about this yet, you soon will.........

And this isnt a conservative/liberal issue. It's a "who are the sane people in the room" issue. And I think we all know the answer to that question......

02-22-2018 , 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

The rest of the 1st world considers Bernie a moderate. Here, he's a pinko commie. I'll let you figure out who is correct. LOL at the NRA trying to use the old pinko commie witch hunt tactics. They must be really desperate.

02-22-2018 , 08:33 PM

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The NRA is not going away, and they will continue to influence politics with private money, so the other side should do the same. They are going to keep pounding this harder the next few weeks - how long can the teenagers keep it up? The NRA spokesman was very god last night at the town hall - the opposition needs some just as good on their side.

The liberals will be stunned again if they sit on the sidelines and hope emotional teenagers change everything.

Get that **** out of here.

02-22-2018 , 08:36 PM

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Get that **** out of here.

I mean, he's right, if you consider someone lying through their teeth and completely faking sympathy to be "very good". It's like how everyone said Mitt Romney did really well in his first debate against Obama, when he judo-flipped his entire agenda and pretended to not be in favor of every single despicable GOP policy he actually was in favor of by just lying about it.

02-22-2018 , 08:51 PM

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It's not gonna change anything.

02-22-2018 , 08:54 PM

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Or Pence in the VP debate or Kellyanne Conway in ~every TV appearance she made.

02-22-2018 , 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

They had the chance to be...until Riverman cursed them with this thread.

I laughed.

My serious take is that the direct result will be some token measures such as the bump stock ban. Longer term, it will boost the Democrats electorally, but only to the minimum possible degree, since they will behave in their usual weak, pathetic manner and never attack the Republicans effectively on it. The one hope I have for substantive change is at the grassroots level. This could inspire other kids to organize and maybe turn much "lesser" school shootings with "only" two or three victims into public referendums on gun control.

02-22-2018 , 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thedude404

They are desperate.

Another desperate argument is that if guns are illegal then a widespread black market like there is in drugs will be unstoppable. It's nonsense because a) guns are much bulkier and b) most of those who ignore illegal drug transactions (maybe even partake on occasions) would report it if someone had a gun or was selling guns. Sure there will be some illegal gun sales but it's never going to be anything like drugs.

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