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02-22-2018 , 01:51 PM

Riverman

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These kids are some of the most inspiring people I've ever seen. I can't watch them without tearing up.

They've already had more success in one week than anyone has on this issue during my life time. It's awesome.

Can they sustain it? Will it matter?

It sure feels different to me. Republicans have no answer. They can't credibly attack kids. They can't bully media into both sidesing and whatabouting. Unlike Democratic politicians, they say what they want and why it's a good idea. And they are just so real.

I've lived half my life with hateful, selfish, lying Republicans in charge. Maybe this is a turning point.

02-22-2018 , 01:58 PM

Victor

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they really havent had any noticeable success. Id be shocked if this amounted to any meaningful change.

02-22-2018 , 02:00 PM

wheatrich

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Looks like they got them to cave on age/bump stocks and I was skeptical that'd ever happen but let's be real that's the farthest they're ever going to go. We're a pro gun country.

02-22-2018 , 02:02 PM

Loki

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We’re only a pro-gun country until we aren’t. We were a pro-slavery country until we weren’t.

02-22-2018 , 02:05 PM

stinkubus

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Arguing that we haven't had an immediate sea-change in America's attitudes toward guns therefore the kids aren't accomplishing anything is really short sighted, imo. With NRA funded politicians in control of both Congress and the White House it should be obvious that we're going to need at least one (and in all probability more than one) election before anything changes.

These type of events can galvanize the opinions of an entire generation. For the first time in my life I can conceive a future where stricter gun control laws are in place, but that will absolutely not happen overnight.

02-22-2018 , 02:23 PM

JoltinJake

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The media reaction this time is definitely different. The focus is overwhelmingly on the kids and on solutions, rather than on the attacker.

02-22-2018 , 02:30 PM

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They had the chance to be...until Riverman cursed them with this thread.

02-22-2018 , 02:31 PM

synth_floyd

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I saw part of the town hall. Props to Rubio for showing up at least. I don't get the argument against the assault weapons ban. He said people got around it by taking off a plastic piece on a gun. So why not make it illegal without the plastic piece? Or something like that. His argument was "we can't ban these because the lawmakers couldn't write a definition of an assault weapon without loop holes."

02-22-2018 , 02:34 PM

JoltinJake

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That said, I'm doubtful anything significant happens. Republicans are in control, after all.

I think best case scenario in the short term is we get something small like bump stocks or an age increase. Even that I'm skeptical will happen.

In the long run, I think Parkland can help a lot:

(a) It has shown the power of victims speaking up, which might encourage similar reactions in the future.
(b) It could help push Democrats to act aggressively once they are back in control.

02-22-2018 , 02:42 PM

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Why doesn't one of these Hollywood liberals like Clooney put a gun control spokesman on his payroll instead of just supporting a march? They need something sustainable separate from the emotions of these kids to counter the NRA machine.

02-22-2018 , 02:49 PM

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SuperUberBob

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Dammit Riverman!

02-22-2018 , 03:11 PM

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Loki

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Originally Posted by businessdude

I’m not 100% certain you realize how stupid this post is.

02-22-2018 , 03:22 PM

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I’m not 100% certain you realize how stupid this post is.

No, I don't - maybe you can explain it..

02-22-2018 , 03:29 PM

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If we don't have another school shooting until April I'd count them as a success. It's been a while since we've seen the yout of America care about anything and it's easy to see how this could lead to an increase in their turing out for elections, which is exactly what the GOP doesn't want.

02-22-2018 , 04:20 PM

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No, I don't - maybe you can explain it..

It is not one private citizen's job to fund the entirety of the gun control side
There seems to be nothing this person would do, as their paycheck would be insufficient to counter the NRA bribes
It sounds an awful lot like blaming the victims. The pro-gun control side is not the problem. The NRA and the GOP are the problems.
Celebrities supporting causes can bring more attention, and thus more donations, to those causes. This multiplier effect would be greater than a single large donation.

That’s just what I could come up with off the top of my head without really thinking about it very deeply. Perhaps you’d like to explain how shallowly you considered your post before making it?

02-22-2018 , 04:32 PM

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I say **** the negativity, let's at least act like we can make some kind of progress.

02-22-2018 , 04:32 PM

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The kids have shown a tremendous amount of courage and sense, but I think its asking a bit much for them to carry the torch on this issue indefinitely. They have to eventually put this behind them and move on with their lives for this is in many ways a depressing and demoralizing cause. For now they're doing great, and a few may continue speaking out, but they need to be able to hand off the ball to some group keep up the intensity. What they've done so far though is beyond amazing.

02-22-2018 , 04:58 PM

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we have already had another one.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...elf_at_ja.html

and then just a few cities over a bunch of kids got arrested after ppl overheard them talking about the planning of a shooting.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...hool_stud.html

02-22-2018 , 05:01 PM

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Not to rain on your ITSHAPPENING.gif parade, but there just hasn't been anything new and shiny to latch on to this week.

Give Trump a few days to do something more ******ed than usual, then we'll see how sticky the Parkland kids are.

02-22-2018 , 05:04 PM

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Multiple nazis headlining CPAC, confirmed nothing new or shiny this week

02-22-2018 , 05:12 PM

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Inso0

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If the media is ignoring swastikas in favor of maintaining the anti-gun narrative of some high school kids, then I'll concede.

But I suspect your use of the term "Nazi" in this case is a little on the loose side, hence the lack of attention.

02-22-2018 , 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chippa58

This

02-22-2018 , 05:18 PM

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stinkubus

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One of the Le Pen's is speaking at CPAC. Their ancestors were Nazi collaborators during WWII.

02-22-2018 , 05:31 PM

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Matty Lice

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they really havent had any noticeable success. Id be shocked if this amounted to any meaningful change.

I disagree. When was the last time the NRA showed up to a national televised meeting about gun violence? Maybe it's happened, I just don't remember. On top of that, you had a president that accepted $30 million from the NRA have a meeting as well. In the age of Trump, it's a nothing burger but on it's own, it is a huge story.

It's been a week. Change isn't gonna happen overnight. And these kids are going to inspire millions of young voters to go out and vote.