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Not interested in arguing against your crafty wording but they are right. Sam Harris offers nothing to the world that isn't replaceable so if you think that he's racist and keep supporting him by giving him a platform, listening to his podcast or whatever it is you high IQ stable geniuses do, you are kind of a turd yourself.

Seems like you shouldn’t be posting on 2+2 then given MM/DS and their deplorability.

07-16-2018 , 04:22 PM

#877

aoFrantic

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I think this is now worse than foldn ever got and it's really close to Wil territory. Fly just makes certain people go insane, its like SBC on the internet.

07-16-2018 , 04:33 PM

#878

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lenC

Not interested in arguing against your crafty wording but they are right. Sam Harris offers nothing to the world that isn't replaceable so if you think that he's racist and keep supporting him by giving him a platform, listening to his podcast or whatever it is you high IQ stable geniuses do, you are kind of a turd yourself.

A good example of the purity problem. Not only do you have to agree about harris, you have to agree about not listening to his podcast etc etc

No doubt those people who dont agree with this 'purity' also fail the purity test.

07-16-2018 , 04:59 PM

#879

lenC

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I don't see any problem there. You obv would have loved to be in Sam's and the bell curve guy's corner to coach and edit them to conceal their racism just enough so that they wouldn't be called out by those darn purists.

07-16-2018 , 05:03 PM

#880

lenC

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07-16-2018 , 05:09 PM

#881

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lenC

I do strongly disagree with the purity test and if I could get Harris not to support the bell curve ideas in future than I would consider that a very good thing.

I know that makes me 'impure' but I can very happily live with that.

07-16-2018 , 05:33 PM

#882

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

You are impure because you went to bat for a guy who compared Mexicans to coclroaches, a sufficient condition. Harris has nothing to do with that.

07-16-2018 , 05:37 PM

#883

chezlaw

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Not revisiting that but I am very happy to fail the purity test approach to politics on a regular basis

The purity approach is something I strongly disgaree with.

07-16-2018 , 06:01 PM

#884

Trolly McTrollson

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I was wondering why chez wasn't in here chezzing it up. Probably distracted by the World Cup.

07-16-2018 , 06:04 PM

#885

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

chezlaw how many racists has your non-purity test, never making-stuff-up-to-be-mean, unlimited benefit of the doubt approach convinced to switch teams?

Quote:

Not revisiting that but I am very happy to fail the purity test approach to politics on a regular basis

You need to decide whether you're better than us because you're open-minded enough to be friendly with Nazis or if you're better than us because you know that there are no Nazis. It can't be both!

07-16-2018 , 06:12 PM

#886

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

chezlaw how many racists has your non-purity test, never making-stuff-up-to-be-mean, unlimited benefit of the doubt approach convinced to switch teams?

You need to decide whether you're better than us because you're open-minded enough to be friendly with Nazis or if you're better than us because you know that there are no Nazis. It can't be both!

I not friendly with any nazis. Nor do I think I'm better than you - wtf?

People were very impressed with the protest against trump in the uk. I'm very confident that the vast majority of us would fail your purity tests. We will would still welcome you to march alongside us fly because we can easily cope with disagreeing over 'purity'.

Last edited by chezlaw; 07-16-2018 at 06:20 PM.

07-16-2018 , 06:17 PM

#887

Trolly McTrollson

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How has chez not been exiled? Can we make "don't turn 2p2 into a Neo-Nazi hangout" a new forum rule?

07-16-2018 , 06:18 PM

#888

zikzak

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What brilliant bits of insight am I missing out on by dismissing Harris for his racist-pandering, islamophobia-peddling, atheist douchebaggery, crackpot scientific morality, jejune philosophy, and overall lowbrow "intellectualism" that tries to pass off banal observations as profound insights for an undescerning audience?

07-16-2018 , 07:50 PM

#889

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Not revisiting that but I am very happy to fail the purity test approach to politics on a regular basis

The purity approach is something I strongly disgaree with.

you know what i disagree with? letting a forum run wild with nazis.

**** off

07-16-2018 , 08:34 PM

#890

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

Seems like you shouldn’t be posting on 2+2 then given MM/DS and their deplorability.

Please read more carefully. He was talking about people who are replaceable. Not people who invented Caribbean Stud, coined the expression "reverse effective odds," elaborated on "non self weighting strategies" or put out Sklansky Chubokov rankings.

07-16-2018 , 08:59 PM

#891

ecriture d'adulte

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If that’s all it takes I’m sure Sam Harris is not “replaceable” either.

07-17-2018 , 07:44 AM

#892

Trolly McTrollson

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07-17-2018 , 10:28 AM

#893

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hero Protagonist

I'd guess that we are way less hierarchical than tribal life, where your survival and reproduction are at the behest of higher ups in the tribe.

Status is a bit like privilege, it's not a big deal unless you don't have any. I don't see how you can go through public education without noticing status all around you though. For most people, every object purchased, every post on instagram, their clothes, cars, houses, hobbies, food choices, occupation, sexual partners, all of these things are in part an attempt to signal value and status. For some people more than others, obviously.

Opting out of the status-game is usually a sign of immaturity and resentment, see your fedora wearing basement dwellers. Or just not being neurotypical in some fashion. Either way, ignoring the importance of status is likely to hurt your chances of success in life.

settle down Patrick Bateman

07-17-2018 , 10:31 AM

#894

6ix

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Et tu, Dawkins?

07-17-2018 , 10:47 AM

#895

tomdemaine

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I grew up very near a church. Hungover on a sunday morning (every sunday morning from like 15 -18) I'd much much rather hear allahu akbar than those ****ing bells. They still haunt my nightmares.

07-17-2018 , 11:09 AM

#896

Kafja

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what possesses someone to be sitting in the sun, having a nice day, admiring an old cathedral, listening to the ringing of the bells, and suddenly think 'hey honey, take a photo of me and the cathedral real quick so i can post a tweet about how much better this is than the stupid **** the MUSLIMS do'

dawkins has been dog**** forever. withered old portrait of dorian grey looking, melted decaying zombie looking, saggy old *****

07-17-2018 , 11:43 AM

#897

zikzak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

I grew up very near a church. Hungover on a sunday morning (every sunday morning from like 15 -18) I'd much much rather hear allahu akbar than those ****ing bells. They still haunt my nightmares.

Vyvyan, is that you?

07-17-2018 , 11:43 AM

#898

ReasonableGuy

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Also a pal of Harris, of course.

Last edited by ReasonableGuy; 07-17-2018 at 11:43 AM. Reason: @kafja

07-17-2018 , 11:59 AM

#899

Kafja

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ReasonableGuy

Also a pal of Harris, of course.

yeah...i'm just glad christopher hitchens is dead so i can pretend to myself he wouldn't have ended up as bad as the rest of them

(i know he would have though)

07-17-2018 , 12:20 PM

#900

well named

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Dvaut would probably say this more convincingly, but I think seeing (white+male) cultural concerns or identity swamping (neo-atheist humanist) ideas in examples like that Dawkins tweet mirrors the same thing you see happening with American evangelicals embracing Trump.The racial/cultural identity is more important than the religious identity in predicting how people are reacting to demographic changes, immigration, refugees, and all of that. That seems to be true for a lot of atheists just as its true for a lot of Christians.

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