thinking about how much better america/the world/civilization would be if the restaurant where this meeting of minds took place was hit by a drone strike.

also anyone still listening to joe rogan in 2018 needs to grow the **** up, joe rogan is painfully stupid. every podcast he does is 3 hours of a racist talking about racism while joe says 'wow, that's interesting' followed by 'have you ever seen a chimpanzee tear someone's face off?'

That is literally the opposite of "a party" in every conceivable way.

This. I love Rogan when he sticks to topics he knows - like UFC and roids. But the dude literally thinks Bigfoot could exist and argued with someone - saying that there were no mountain lions in California. IE - he's painfully stupid about topics he doesn't know, like nature, but still has no problem voicing an opinion.

It’s cute that they found a booster chair for Ben Shapiro.

Lol at any movement where Joe Rogan is an intellectual leader. Nice to see Eric Weinstein has gone from crackpot physics to crackpot other stuff.

I don’t think any of them cosider Rogan an intellectual leader in the group.

So if someone wanted to listen to politics or otherwise intellectual podcasts, is there anything that 2p2 recommends?

My weekly list includes

A More Perfect Union which is a SCOTUS podcast
Pod Save America
Waking up which is Harris’
The Gist
Intelligence Squared
Longform
On The Media
Political Gabfest
Amicus which is another SCOTUS one
Blabbermouth
538 podcast

Jesus I listen to too many podcasts! Thank god for 2x speed

On The Media is good.

Cum Town

Thinking about my list makes me realize that while some itt have accused me of being alt-right (lol) only two of those podcast ever expose me to anything right wing.

Waking Up obviously

Intelligence Squared which is a literal debate podcast. They choose a question and two sides, three people on each, debate within a structure. Winner is chosen by percentage of change of opinion in the audience.

Joe Rogan's great for the most part on martial arts. He's done some good shows when he has a decent guest like the one with the girl that left the Westboro Baptists. He's pretty ****ing terrible for jumping off the deep end whenever his imagination takes him.

As for Sam Harris, he should treat the guests he has in a similar way that Chomsky treated him; genuinely engaged with his ideas but made sure there was always an air of contempt. He won't though. Because he doesn't actually disagree with his guests in the way he disagreed with Chomsky.

Anyway after my brief absence(sorry Clovis, tattle harder next time!) I thought I'd get this back onto the subject and close the trap here on Murray and Harris.

Charles Murray believes black people are inherently, genetically, innately stupider than white people. He believes government has ignored this difference to the enormous detriment of society, it's a public policy crisis.

Harris agrees with him. That's why Clovis dodged all my questions, but dudeoflife wasn't on the same page as Clovis(since Clovis learned about this from 2p2 posters while dudeoflife exclusively learned about it from Harris), so he admitted that he also believes it is BEYOND DISPUTE that the science says black people are dumb and Harris still counts as a leftwinger because he wishes that wasn't the case.

But let's go back to "the quote" that Clovis refused to answer any questions about. I'll post it again.
Emphasis mine. Sam Harris strongly believes that black people are dumber than whites and believes calling that racist is an outrage, he gets PASSIONATE about that. Just like Clovis and dudeoflife get PASSIONATE about Sam Harris.

And again, because everything always rhymes, while Clovis was wise enough to try to distance Harris from Murray(this failed because Clovis can't read) and so he invented a fictional Harris who was much less friendly with Murray, dudeoflife and aflametotheground are repeating that with the ****ing Intellectual Dark Web "party"*. Harris is gonna be a full bore Nazi by 2020, guys, you need to read between the lines on this **** or you'll get left behind.


*It's a small thing but telling of just how unpleasant all those dorks are that Shapiro would use "party" to describe half a dozen people getting dinner together. Man, that's dinner, eating with your friends is pretty normal for people who have friends.

Build 50 bridges and **** one goat and people aren’t gonna call you “Clovis the Bridge Builder.”

Those people are simply intellectually weak. I would guess I spend 20 hours a week listening to left wing media and 1.5 hours listening to left wing media that has right wing voices sometimes. I would call this a very tiny hole in my bubble. If you think that is somehow a bad thing you need to put any kind of hole in your bubble.

The Weeds is a good mix of Pod Save America style politics rants and deep policy dives from people who actually know what they're talking about.

It's like a modern day Abbot and Costello. With goats.

Is Pod Save America all that? A bunch of people at the protest were wearing their shirts. I haven't become a big podcast consumer yet. I've really only listened to one in the podcast form anyway - some things are on the radio or youtube too.

It’s my favourite one. Two of the people worked for Obama, one as a writer. They get very good interviews. They are of the **** civility camp to be sure too.

I can't stand them. They have no policy knowledge whatsoever. Its content free rants and jokes about how everything is terrible. They don't offer much that a well curated Twitter feed doesn't do better.

That could be a great kids show

Citations Needed is the best political podcast on the internet

As for PSA, I find the live shows to be unlistenable. The interviews are generally uninteresting but I do enjoy the remainder of the podcast.

I don't think you understood what the asterisks meant if you think this.

Fly: You mention me, i would say that i dont particularly want to touch this topic on race, its a bit too nasty for my liking. The guy who wrote the book choses to dive into something that most ppl would shy away from.

Maybe I should have gone with - maybe Clovis has got trollies goat.

Or . Please, not in front of the kids