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04-25-2018 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
I think he thought the tweet before this one was calling him racist (it swings awfully close, if not saying it explicitly: "Openly courting racists it seems. Idk why this white dude gives other racist white dudes the benefit of the doubt."), and that's what he's talking about here, especially in the context of replying to a tweet that points out he is married to a black man and has black children. I don't think it's saying "lol at calling Ron Paul a racist".
04-25-2018 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I think he thought the tweet before this one was calling him racist (it swings awfully close, if not saying it explicitly: "Openly courting racists it seems. Idk why this white dude gives other racist white dudes the benefit of the doubt."), and that's what he's talking about here, especially in the context of replying to a tweet that points out he is married to a black man and has black children. I don't think it's saying "lol at calling Ron Paul a racist".
But that still doesn’t make any sense in our context . Paul wasn’t some principled racist Greenwald is forced to defend(for some reason), he used the 90s version of the “i was hacked“ defense that Greenwald is now railing against when a dem does it.
04-25-2018 , 04:49 PM
Joy Reid will stay on air at MSNBC amid outcry over alleged anti-gay posts

By JASON SCHWARTZ and CRISTIANO LIMA

04/25/2018 12:30 PM EDT

Popular MSNBC host Joy Reid will remain on the air amid a controversy over what appear to be old posts expressing anti-gay views on her now-defunct personal blog, an NBC spokesperson said.

Reid says her blog was hacked to include the posts, which are dated in the mid- to late-2000s and resurfaced last week when Twitter user @Jamie_Maz and Mediaite highlighted them.

The NBC spokesperson, who declined to be named, said that Reid has referred the matter to law enforcement and that the network would wait for that process to play out before taking any action.

NBC representatives declined to say whether the network itself will investigate the posts. Reid did not reply immediately to a request for comment. Neither did the FBI, though it does not typically confirm or deny investigations.

Reid hosts a two-hour show on MSNBC on Saturday and Sunday mornings, though her status as a hero to the left has given her a larger profile. The alleged remarks, however, have prompted fierce backlash. PFLAG National, an LGBT advocacy group, rescinded Reid’s Straight for Equality in Media award on Tuesday.
Morning Media

As outrage over the posts spreads, NBC seems to have found itself caught in the middle. On Tuesday night, network representatives forwarded a statement from a “cyber-security expert” hired by Reid, supporting her claim that the posts on her former blog, the Reid Report, were the work of hackers. The representatives also included letters her lawyers sent to Google and the Internet Archive in December, asking them to wipe the offending posts.

NBC has not issued a statement on the record about the controversy, however.


The alleged blog posts include language critical of gay marriage and claims that homosexual men prey on “impressionable teens” — messages at odds with Reid’s reputation as a progressive media leader. The posts also take aim at Rachel Maddow, now MSNBC’s star primetime host, for having views on gay rights “at the left-most end of the political spectrum.”

“Most straight people cringe at the sight of two men kissing,” one of the posts reads. “The nature of political correctness is that gay people are allowed to say straight sex is gross but the reverse is considered to be patently homophobic.”

Reid first came under scrutiny late last year over similar remarks on her blog from 2007 to 2009, which she has acknowledged making. The host mockingly speculated about the sexuality of then-Florida Gov. Charlie Crist and referred to him as "Miss Charlie." In December, she apologized, saying the remarks did not reflect her views.

“This note is my apology to all who are disappointed by the content of blogs I wrote a decade ago, for which my choice of words and tone have legitimately been criticized,” Reid said at the time.

In the last week, though, additional posts on Reid’s old blog were surfaced by Twitter user @Jamie_Maz, who also found the posts about Crist. Reid’s blog is no longer online, and she has said that she shuttered it in 2011. The offending posts were found via Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, which archives website screenshots.

This time, Reid is fighting back against the allegations. On Monday, Reid claimed that hackers were responsible for inserting the newly discovered posts into the archive, issuing a statement to Mediaite saying that an “external party accessed and manipulated material from my now-defunct blog, The Reid Report, to include offensive and hateful references that are fabricated and run counter to my personal beliefs and ideology.”

Internet Archive disputed that its records had been compromised in a blog post on Tuesday. According to the site, it was first contacted in December by Reid’s lawyers, asking it to take down “fraudulent” posts that were “inserted into legitimate content” in the archive of her blog.

“When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions,” the Internet Archive post said.

Later Tuesday night, NBC representatives relayed the statement from Reid’s outside cybersecurity expert, Jonathan Nichols.

“We discovered that login information used to access the blog was available on the Dark Web and that fraudulent entries — featuring offensive statements — were entered with suspicious formatting and time stamps. The posts included hate speech targeting marginalized communities and Ms. Reid has been explicit in condemning them,” Nichols said in the statement.

It is unclear how the posts to her blog could have been changed without the Internet Archive being manipulated. Nichols did not specify which posts he believed were altered.
04-25-2018 , 04:49 PM
04-25-2018 , 04:53 PM
The elder Paul is most known for being anti-war, audit the Fed, etc, and always sticking to those principles, even if the non-war ones were pretty dumb. GG was contrasting Rand's flip-flopping against that while explicitly not defending (see the tweet I posted) Ron Paul's views.
04-25-2018 , 05:09 PM
preki - Don't copy/paste entire articles, come on man.

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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I just don't get the Joy Reid tact of "I was hacked, I didn't say that".

Attitudes toward homosexuality have changed a ton in the last 15 years. I know mine have. Just do a long blog post or a TV half hour special about how your personal attitudes have changed, apologize for the harsh language you used in the past, and everybody would move on after a week or so.

It's so incredibly dumb to try the "I was hacked" defense when it's so obviously a lie.
Yeah, if she had done this I wouldn't have a problem with MSNBC keeping her on. But the "I was hacked" defense is so lolbad and I think she's gotta go now. MSNBC not handling this well so far IMO.

Also, obligatory LOL at Glenn Greenwald for that self ownage re: Rand Paul's flip flop.
04-25-2018 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
The elder Paul is most known for being anti-war, audit the Fed, etc, and always sticking to those principles, even if the non-war ones were pretty dumb. GG was contrasting Rand's flip-flopping against that while explicitly not defending (see the tweet I posted) Ron Paul's views.
Right. GG will tolerate a lot of stupidity from non democrats.
04-25-2018 , 05:19 PM
https://twitter.com/calebecarma/stat...48209927774208

more bigotry from reid. transgender jokes about ann coulter. was her twitter account hacked too? lol
04-25-2018 , 05:42 PM
Reid should resign just like AL Franken...not. The "hack" excuse is stupid, normally the default mode of right wingers. I expect her to apologize for that if the criticism is legitimate (not going to wade into this nothingburger to form an opinion). All I see is right-wing morans with bad faith attacks. I'm also fine with calling Ann Coulture the Bruce Jenner of deplorable pundits. I'm not a snowflake and handle that with grabbing my cry pillow.

Preki, what's your level of knowledge about this stuff? Politics, history, public policy? I mean how did you learn less than zero information?

Maybe take a stroll through the Trump thread starting at page 1. We're about 80 minutes into this movie and you just sat down and seem to be having some trouble picking up the plot.
04-25-2018 , 06:48 PM
But trump! Who says I like trump?

Here is an intersting article about why you arent seeing this reid controversy on the nightly national news.

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/24/...utlets-ignore/
04-25-2018 , 06:53 PM
Like the most flattering, best case scenario here is that you’re a bot.
04-25-2018 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Here is an intersting article about why you arent seeing this reid controversy on the nightly national news.
That exact same article was posted here 9 hours ago

You are so bad at reading
04-25-2018 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
That exact same article was posted here 9 hours ago

You are so bad at reading
Do yo expect me to read every single post in every thread I post in? I dont live online
04-25-2018 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Do yo expect me to read every single post in every thread I post in? I dont live online
...and yet you've still managed to somehow find the time to write dozens of posts in the last day alone! Maybe you should treat 2+2 less like your personal blog where you post whatever dumb thoughts pop in to your head, and more like a group discussion where you actually read what other people say too.
04-25-2018 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
...and yet you've still managed to somehow find the time to write dozens of posts in the last day alone! Maybe you should treat 2+2 less like your personal blog where you post whatever dumb thoughts pop in to your head, and more like a group discussion where you actually read what other people say too.
We could just get him set up like Creed from the Office.
04-25-2018 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
...and yet you've still managed to somehow find the time to write dozens of posts in the last day alone! Maybe you should treat 2+2 less like your personal blog where you post whatever dumb thoughts pop in to your head, and more like a group discussion where you actually read what other people say too.
Sorry, I just skimmed the thread and still am not seeing the article you said was posted 9 hours ago. Which post number is it?
04-25-2018 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Sorry, I just skimmed the thread and still am not seeing the article you said was posted 9 hours ago. Which post number is it?
here
04-25-2018 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Sorry, I just skimmed the thread and still am not seeing the article you said was posted 9 hours ago. Which post number is it?
How about you demonstrate that you can read the threads and participate in discussions, or eat a bam for spamming.
04-25-2018 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
...and yet you've still managed to somehow find the time to write dozens of posts in the last day alone! Maybe you should treat 2+2 less like your personal blog where you post whatever dumb thoughts pop in to your head, and more like a group discussion where you actually read what other people say too.
I feel overwhelmed to take on the battle because I am literally outnumbered 90to 1.
04-25-2018 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Do yo expect me to read every single post in every thread I post in? I dont live online


I submit that you only exist online
04-25-2018 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Lol ok brah. You expect me to click on every link posted? It was pretty well hidden with no context given to what the article was about.
04-25-2018 , 07:25 PM
I didnt come across much discussion on why the msm is ignoring reid. Dont you guys think its a tad disconcerting and hypocritical of the media and shows their bias?
04-25-2018 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Lol ok brah. You expect me to click on every link posted?
I didn't click the link and yet somehow (must be magic?) I still knew it was the same article.

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Originally Posted by preki
It was pretty well hidden with no context given to what the article was about.
Yeah totally, no context at all:

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Originally Posted by heehaww
Yeah just no way to tell whatsoever that what heehaww posted, in the middle of a conversation about Joy Reid, was the same article written by Glenn Greenwald on The Intercept that you would later post, must be magic or something
04-25-2018 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Do yo expect me to read every single post in every thread I post in? I dont live online
This from the guy who was so upset that I hadn’t replied to a pm in one hour, fifty minutes that he immediately ran to ATF to create a new thread and then have to ask for it to be deleted because he didn’t read anything in ATF before posting.

Man, reading is not your strong suit.
04-25-2018 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
Lol ok brah. You expect me to click on every link posted? It was pretty well hidden with no context given to what the article was about.
I'm sneaky like that

      
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