People who confuse the "journalistic integrity" of their news channel with that of a comedy show probably get what they deserve.

But you're attacking Stewart for "being liberal." Unless you have some examples of Stewart being as deceitful as Fox, then you're drawing a false equivalence.

no, just because Stewart is not as deceitful as Fox, doesn't mean there aren't any similarities

His criticisms mostly involve showing 2 clips of someone saying completely conflicting things and lol'ing or showing what they said and another clip/piece showing the truth. Also, he rips the president, Weiner, and others.

This is just stupid. Either give examples, or I'm done. You're just asserting bull**** at this point, from someone who has admitted to not watch the show lately and having a fuzzy memory about it.

Stewart doesn't have an obligation to be fair and balanced. Fox does, because they say they are.

Both Fox and Stewart have obligations not to lie. Fox does frequently and never owns up to it. Stewart actually was caught in an inaccurate statement in the Wallace interview, and he proceeded to make fun of himself for it. Other than that, he doesn't lie much.

I mean, you're going to have to give some examples of Stewart's hypocrisy, because you're right now the only one who sees it.

Does steward have "an obligation" to be funny since he says he's a comedian?

You can nitpick over the definition of "obligation" and use one for which the answer is "no," but yes, he does. It's his job. It's what he's paid to do. If he says he's a comedian and is paid to be comedian and he doesn't make people laugh, then he should be fired, and he would worthy of mockery. Stewart thinks people paid to be journalists should act like journalists, and if they don't, he mocks them.

I already said i'm not going to give any examples, i don't feel like watching hours of the show, for the sake of this argument. You've got a some people on the other side of my argument agreeing that Stewart is biased, ask them for examples, if you need any.

nuh uh. that's just a simple slogan designed to promote their brand within a certain segment of population. demanding journalistic integrity because of that catch phrase from a network trying to get some high ratings is pretty sappy.


i never said he was a hypocrite...

So tucker carlson was completely right when he got mad at stewart for not being funny on crossfire?

Wait, you don't Fox has an obligation for journalistic integrity, despite being journalists, and you don't think they even have to have truth in advertising? But Stewart, who advertises his bias, and isn't a journalist, is the one who has to have that journalistic integrity?

It's empirically true that Stewart makes people laugh. If Carlson isn't one of those people, that's Carlson's problem.

no, i'm just saying that they both run shows that the primary reason for is political commentary and both display bias. While fox news is much, much worse, and Stewart may not be as biased as I remember him to be, Stewart should not state the fact that he is a comedian as a response to accusations that they may share some things in common. I am pretty tired of my simple argument being stretched all over and having to repeat myself.

I just want to address this point... Stewart regularly criticisms all the networks and all the politicians. He happens to mock Fox more because they're so consistantly horribly biased (and they have guys like Glenn Beck which is like watching a train wreck.)

If you remember some of the biggest news in 2009 was John Stewart bringing down Jim Cramer from CNBC by documenting his horrible negligence in covering the financial markets.

He has regularly bashed much of not only the ineptitude of the Democrats and Obama but also has highlighted where Obama has broken his promises, where they have continued with Bush policies contrary to how he campaigned, etc. I would offer that Stewart has offered more meaningful criticisms of the Democrats and Obama then any other source.

No, this isn't one of those "humor is not debatable" things, I'm totally 100% in agreement with this. Stewart explicitly said he wasn't going to be funny.

OK, statements like "Stewart talks about politics," and "Stewart has a bias in the things he chooses to mock," are completely empty criticisms. Stewart is open about the liberal biases in his background, but his principal bias in choosing what to mock is, "things he thinks are funny." That you think these "startling revelations" somehow indict his show or diminish the weight of the criticisms he levels on conservatives for something or other that no one can describe sounds like someone with whom he hits a nerve. The critics of Stewart are mostly people butthurt over him catching them lying.

I guess I don't know the interview you're talking about, then.

because that's not what I am not criticizing him for? the fact that he is biased, makes some of his criticism a bit less sharp, but he is still pretty awesome when is spot on

AFAIK steward was only on crossfire once.

This is the shocker for me. A news organization by its nature is supposed to balanced and neutral.

The whole point of Jon Stewarts criticism of Fox is that they aren't a news organization and that their tagline "fair and balanced" is a joke.

If Fox correctly labeled themselves as A Propaganda Outlet for the Conservative Establishment then Stewart wouldn't have as much to mock. His mockery of Fox is that they continue to insist that they are an impartial news organization while they clearly are not.

Based on your comments it would seem that you agree that Fox has no obligation to be fair and balanced meaning that how they present themselves is a lie. In which case, for the most part, you are agreeing with Jon Stewart.

maybe in some sort of ulterior world, where balanced and neutral shows get ratings, instead of partisan outlets.


the same is valid about all other 24/7 news channels

yes Jon Stewart is right in mocking them, however, i think he should spend more time mocking MSNBC and CNN and whatever as well (that's still not what my original criticism was about)

No, it doesn't necessarily make the criticism less sharp, particularly if the bias is only manifest in the choice of targets to mock. If the criticism or the mockery is consistently unfair, as if Stewart were lying about what the people on Fox were saying in the videos he shows, that's a different issue, but you don't have any examples of this, and you don't want to find any examples of this, but you do want to keep asserting it's true. Brool story co.

why are u even arguing about this... I think showing clips of Palin saying something dumb 20 days in a row, tends to lose it's impact after a while, you don't... who cares?


asserting what? I just spelled out my argument a couple of posts above as plainly as i could.... I never said Stewart lies or is wrong in calling out Fox lies.... it has nothing to do with it

Couple of things:
He was funny on Crossfire, but he was being a more serious media critic. He wasn't getting paid to go on Crossfire. Same as the Wallace interview. He wasn't on his show.

Like, fundamentally, the "criticisms" of Stewart continue to not make any sense. This is because conservatives are only sort of aware of what Jon Stewart does, but they know it's bad for "their side".

Like, he spents a lot of time flat out embarrassing Fox News on his show. The response to this from conservatives who are understandably uncomfortable at seeing how their beloved Fair and Balanced Fox News is manipulating them is...

He's liberal? He admits that. So?
He's a political comedian/media critic/gadfly, not a real journalist? Yeah, he admits that too. So?

Like, do any of you have a point? It's just random unfocused "nuh uh" complaints about, apparently, the concept of "criticism" as a whole.

He hurts your feelings. You don't like being reminded of how educated urban liberals look down on you.

If you have a specific, identifiable complaint about Stewart make it. I posted two links to his show in the past hundred posts ITT. What did he do wrong in those? What would he need to have done to make those clips OK with you?

so you feel the need to apply different criteria at your pleasure to twist a point?

Stewart is supposed to be funny when he does his show, or any of his comedy related productions. The Crossfire segment, along with the Foxnews Sunday segment, were as him as a guest. He is responding to queries completely off script. If he is funny, that would be his personal charisma. But your contention is that say Matt Damon should act as Jason Bourne on the street because he played that character is disingenuous at best. Carlson got slammed because he was an idiot. Wallace tried to slam Stewart, but he wouldn't take the bait.

The "drink the water" bit was a replay of Wallace's spot on The Daily Show. He gave Stewart a Karl Rove GOP cookie, and after prodding and Jon eating it, Stewart retorted with "free market capitalism is the bestest in the world" in an Ahnold voice, then spit it out.

Humor is always debatable.

Maybe if he did this, you'd have a point.