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06-22-2011 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
again, i am not denying that Fox news is much more slanted and sometime distort the truth in the process, but most of that is just the nature of the 24/7 news networks. If Stewart was on 24/7, and competing for ratings, he would appear much more slanted than in his current format.
Huh? You're trying to impugn him for something for something he doesn't do, but that the people he mocks do do, because you think he would do it, if only he were to actually do it?
06-22-2011 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
but now i dont even remember what i was arguing with Fly about.
not an accident
06-22-2011 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
end of post #566; i'll agree to disagree with you, if you don't think Stewart is not all that different from talking heads at fox. him saying that it is even insane to make such comparisons, because he is a comedian first, is what i take issue with the most.
That's not what he said was "insane". You'd probably know that if you bothered to watch the interview. Literally you have no idea what's going on, you're just seeing some libruls talking and reflexively disagreeing with them for some reason.
06-22-2011 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Huh? You're trying to impugn him for something for something he doesn't do, but that the people he mocks do do, because you think he would do it, if only he were to actually do it?
no, i am saying that there is bias in Stewart's commentary. He bashes on conservatives way too much and often times he would lampoon conservative positions without even considering that there might be merit behind them. I am sorry I haven't seen his show in some time and can't give you anything more specific, than the general impression i got from his show. Yes Fox news is worse, but just because they are a "news network" and he is a "comedian", doesn't mean they are all that different.

Last edited by hotdogfallacy; 06-22-2011 at 09:47 AM. Reason: more words = more sense
06-22-2011 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
That's not what he said was "insane". You'd probably know that if you bothered to watch the interview. Literally you have no idea what's going on, you're just seeing some libruls talking and reflexively disagreeing with them for some reason.
i don't feel like watching the interview and if it was not what he said was insane, you could have corrected me the first time I brought it up. I said from the beginning that I took issue with something I read in the article.
06-22-2011 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
no, i am saying that there is bias in Stewart's commentary. He bashes on conservatives way too much and often times he would lampoon conservative positions without even considering that there might be merit behind them. I am sorry I haven't seen his show in some time and give you anything more specific, than the general impression i got from his show. Yes Fox news is worse, but just because they are a "news network" and he is a "comedian", doesn't mean they are all that different.
Correlation doesn't imply causation. Maybe Stewart covers conservatives more often for other reasons than him being liberal.

By the way, Stewart mocks the president on a regular basis.
06-22-2011 , 09:49 AM
Again were back to someone complaining about steward and the best they can come up with is he isn't impartial? Sigh.
06-22-2011 , 09:50 AM
Here's Stewart's response to Polifact, it's pretty standard from him, in that it is amazing:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...lse-statements
06-22-2011 , 09:50 AM
what's wrong with that complaint
06-22-2011 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
no, i am saying that there is bias in Stewart's commentary. He bashes on conservatives way too much and often times he would lampoon conservative positions without even considering that there might be merit behind them. I am sorry I haven't seen his show in some time and can't give you anything more specific, than the general impression i got from his show. Yes Fox news is worse, but just because they are a "news network" and he is a "comedian", doesn't mean they are all that different.
How do you measure that Stewart bashes conservatives "too much?" Why shouldn't he bash them as much as he does?

Does Glenn Beck bash liberals "too much?"
06-22-2011 , 09:57 AM
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Yes Fox news is worse, but just because they are a "news network" and he is a "comedian", doesn't mean they are all that different.
OK, but this is based on your "general impression" you get without watching the show, right? Sort of like how you formed impressions of the Wallace interview from, I dunno, auras or tarot cards.

Besides that, you still don't have a point. As best I can figure, your core and only point is that while Fox News is conservative, Jon Stewart is liberal, and thus both have some element of bias, so they are the same and... I dunno. You haven't fleshed out the ending.

Jon Stewart doesn't run a news network with the tagline "Fair and Balanced". When he mocks Fox viciously for not practicing good journalism, it kind of seems like you're impyling that means he has some sort of obligation to himself practice good journalism or else it's not fair that he was so mean. Should people on ESPN not be able to say a football player is playing poorly unless they themselves can do better?
06-22-2011 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
no, i am saying that there is bias in Stewart's commentary. He bashes on conservatives way too much and often times he would lampoon conservative positions without even considering that there might be merit behind them. I am sorry I haven't seen his show in some time and can't give you anything more specific, than the general impression i got from his show. Yes Fox news is worse, but just because they are a "news network" and he is a "comedian", doesn't mean they are all that different.
Are you Donald Trump? Because your posting here is just like he was at the Correspondent's Dinner. Grand at lobbing shots, pitiful on the receiving end, with zero factual information to add to the discussion.
06-22-2011 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
OK, but this is based on your "general impression" you get without watching the show, right?
wrong... i watched it regularly for some years. I do acknowledge that some of my perceptions could be formed by the fact that a lot of what I saw was when Bush was in office and Stewart would mock him at every opportunity, but i think his coverage of 08 election was pretty uneven as well.

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Sort of like how you formed impressions of the Wallace interview from,
Again, i did not post any impressions about the interview, just a couple of quotes I read in article that was linked here.

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Besides that, you still don't have a point
I stated my point numerous times. When Stewart is addressing whatever criticisms presented at him, the fact that he is a "comedian" and his show is on "comedy central" is not too relevant.

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When he mocks Fox viciously for not practicing good journalism, it kind seems like you're impyling that means he has some sort of obligation to himself practice good journalism

sure, that is another point as well.
06-22-2011 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
How do you measure that Stewart bashes conservatives "too much?" Why shouldn't he bash them as much as he does?
because the things he bashes them for, could be easily applied to both sides

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Does Glenn Beck bash liberals "too much?"
yes, glenn beck is a joke
06-22-2011 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
because the things he bashes them for, could be easily applied to both sides


Also, if MSNBC says something incorrect and/or slanted in favor of liberalism, does Stewart have an obligation to make fun of it?
06-22-2011 , 10:24 AM
if he wants to avoid the criticisms that people throw at him, then yes
06-22-2011 , 10:33 AM
hotdogfallacy- When you say that Stewart is "addressing criticisms", could you give an example of such a criticism? I mean, we've gotten that you think he's liberal, but he admits he is liberal. Like in that interview, in the part that you quoted! What criticisms are people throwing at him? Doesn't even have to be one you personally believe.

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When he mocks Fox viciously for not practicing good journalism, it kind seems like you're impyling that means he has some sort of obligation to himself practice good journalism
sure, that is another point as well.
Wait, what? I was unfairly strawmanning you! At least I thought I was. You legitimately think Stewart cannot criticize Fox for being dishonest and terrible at, say, reporting on Obamacare unless he himself devotes his half hour comedy show to effective reporting on the same subject? I'm pretty sure he'd get fired if he started airing "Newshalfhour with Jim Lehrer Jon Stewart" after repeats of Tosh.0.

Like, this is the gold standard in Daily Show vs. Fox, imo:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...t-company-trap

Could you watch that and identify what parts of it are
A) "Liberal bias"
B) Wrong?

What should he have done differently there?
06-22-2011 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
if he wants to avoid the criticisms that people throw at him, then yes
Well, then, that criticism is stupid, and he shouldn't bother to avoid it.

Should Chris Rock do a sketch in favor of the drug war?

Should Louis CK do a sketch opposing gay marriage?

Stewart has absolutely no ethical obligation to present all sides of all issues, no obligation to lampoon liberals, or anything of the sort. He doesn't purport to be presenting all sides of all issues. You're talking about trying to introduce the Fairness Doctrine into comedy, which is ridiculous on its face.
06-22-2011 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
What criticisms are people throwing at him?
that he displays bias in his show that focuses on political commentary, much like people he criticizes

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unless himself devotes his half hour comedy show to effective reporting on the same subject? I
no, just that his criticisms lose their effect, when he frequently displays bias




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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Stewart has absolutely no ethical obligation to present all sides of all issues,
neither do the people he criticizes


i'm done for a little while ITT
06-22-2011 , 10:50 AM
Except, if you watched The Daily Show, or even if you just watched the one clip that Fly so conveniently linked for you, you'd see that Stewart isn't criticizing Fox for merely "being conservative." Nor is Stewart engaging in tactics similar to the ones he lampooned in that clip. But yeah, take your ball and go home, I guess, and weep bitter tears that there is actually someone out there good at pointing out tons of hypocrisy, deceit, and disinformation coming from the right.
06-22-2011 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy
if he wants to avoid the criticisms that people throw at him, then yes
HUH?

The Seinfeld writers were miles ahead for this one too.
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Jerry: Oh good. Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about Dr. Whatley. I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism just for the jokes.

Father: And this offends you as a Jewish person.

Jerry: No, it offends me as a comedian. And it'll interest you that he's also telling Catholic jokes.

Father: Well.

Jerry: And they're old jokes. I mean, the Pope and Raquel Welch in a lifeboat.
Jon Stewart actually wants people to criticize him. He not only learns more about the issue, but it gains him more material for his comedy show. Of course a thick skin is needed, something a majority of your fellow conservatives lack. You want comedy that is parceled to an acceptable little segment, a blue blood non-laugh at the club crowd, jolly good stuff.
06-22-2011 , 11:06 AM
Steward may want people to criticize him, but there are an awful lot of thin-skinned pansies that get all defensive and uptight when it happens.
06-22-2011 , 11:07 AM
God last night's ripping of Faux was so funny I had to watch it again.
06-22-2011 , 11:21 AM
yeah, there are a lot of thin skinned pansies, here as well, who get uppity if their word isn't accepted on faith.
06-22-2011 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Except, if you watched The Daily Show, or even if you just watched the one clip that Fly so conveniently linked for you, you'd see that Stewart isn't criticizing Fox for merely "being conservative."
i never said that he did...

      
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