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Old 11-14-2010, 11:30 PM   #26
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why does Schultz yell so much?
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:15 AM   #27
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All cable news is just blatant propaganda and if you watch it I truly feel sorry for you.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:47 PM   #28
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:29 PM   #29
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If anyone's interested, Ted Koppel recently wrote a thoughtful critique and historical overview of our current cable news universe.
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:41 PM   #30
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If anyone's interested, Ted Koppel recently wrote a thoughtful critique and historical overview of our current cable news universe.
To help me digest this, is there anyway two partisan pundits from each side of the aisle debated this, Crossfire style, on cable news, preferably with lots of yelling and the two debaters cutting each other off, along with the host not allowing any answer to go beyond 45 seconds before interrupting, and the results were put onto Youtube?
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:54 PM   #31
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To help me digest this, is there anyway two partisan pundits from each side of the aisle debated this, Crossfire style, on cable news, preferably with lots of yelling and the two debaters cutting each other off, along with the host not allowing any answer to go beyond 45 seconds before interrupting, and the results were put onto Youtube?
You can get a virtual approximation. Go to the Comment box to the right of the article. Click on 'View All.' Start reading.
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:55 PM   #32
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I doubt people on this forum will like Koppel's point. He basic claim is that the profit motive destroys quality news production, and that network news (in days of yore) trumped contemporary cable news in quality because a generation or two ago, the network news casts feared losing their licenses and feared being too stridently partisan, and it's cheap for cable news nets to produce pundit chat hours.

I don't think he's wrong about the basic economics of why contemporary cable news is *******, FWIW. There's an appetite in the market for that kind of drivel, and producing anything better/higher quality would cost more.

I don't think his point about objectivity is all that compelling.

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Old 11-15-2010, 11:56 PM   #33
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Olbermann retorts.
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:06 AM   #34
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Also no one will watch Olbermann's retort but the first 5-6 minutes are pretty good.
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:28 AM   #35
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Julie Banderas is hottest face in news hands down.
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:30 AM   #36
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Koppel still is the reigning champion of best-hair-by-a-newscaster, imo.

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Old 11-16-2010, 11:19 AM   #37
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All TV news is just blatant propaganda and if you watch it I truly feel sorry for you.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:31 AM   #38
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Evidence of some right wing cloning program?
I have always thought that the fox news theory on hot chicks is this:

the average person watching fox news is 70 and still has a somewhat rational thinking mind that on a good day functions 95% as well as ever. Note this percentage is about to be in rapid decline.
I think they pick women like mtv, i.e the hottest possible women but with a different demographic: old white guys.
I think the women are chosen to represent the hottest possible chick a 95% rational thinking 60-70 year old can believe he has a chance with and/or could have a relationship with- that being a blonde chick who is appraoching 40 who wants to settle down. If you think about it, it's pretty delciously evil.
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:00 PM   #39
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To help me digest this, is there anyway two partisan pundits from each side of the aisle debated this, Crossfire style, on cable news, preferably with lots of yelling and the two debaters cutting each other off, along with the host not allowing any answer to go beyond 45 seconds before interrupting, and the results were put onto Youtube?
You mean like on O'Reilly last night when he discussed this with Ellis Henican? He orated to his guest how the Fox line up of Kelly and Hemmer were the most unbiased reporters on the station. Also how he never partakes in the unrelenting bias currently on the other networks. They both trashed Koppel as a dinosaur, which fits the current broadcaster model. Anchors are intermixed with hosts of commentary programs today, they are expected to inject their personal opinion not only in a wrapup segment, but throughout the newscast.

It was the typical Fox format with their opponent segments. The host with their intent to play a "fair & balanced" card pontificates about how unbiased they are, of course in a lively and highly energetic fashion. If the opposing view begins to make a point, its either shut down immediately by the host, or the pivot technique is performed to another issue.

Scene 1.......up tempo musical introduction, flashing lights & banners, swirling camera work.........

and cue the host
spoken in an up beat energetic fashion. "Welcome to the show ____________

cue the guest's camera, lower lighting levels, lower microphone gain,

"We see that as..............



All cable news is the same format though, Koppel is correct in the push for ratings points.
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:41 PM   #40
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Fair and balanced headline.
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:53 PM   #42
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Krauthammer on Special Report is the best part of Fox News. That's pretty much the only news show I try not to miss. Fox is having a pretty good 6 part series on the history of conservatism in America right now. It's been good so far.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:50 PM   #43
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So I was watching the lol immigration round table on msnbc last night and it was hosted by this guy



Do you guys think it is good for business for msnbc to have an open socialist in the air?
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:14 PM   #44
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Yes. Socialist governments i think you will find are the ones best dealing with the current market crisis. Keep printing that money while we get our deficits under control.

Also if this forum is anything to judge by the best people to chair a discussion on immigration are socialists.

The biggest problem in America today is socialism is a bad word and most things defined as socialism are soft socialism.

Come back when the market starts building your roads, staffing your fire engines, policing your streets, winning your wars and providing social security and medical care to your elderly and veterans.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:30 PM   #45
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Besides communists and socialists know how to deal with border issues best. Just ask Jow Miller about the GDR.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:52 PM   #46
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You mean like on O'Reilly last night when he discussed this with Ellis Henican? He orated to his guest how the Fox line up of Kelly and Hemmer were the most unbiased reporters on the station. Also how he never partakes in the unrelenting bias currently on the other networks.

It was the typical Fox format with their opponent segments. The host with their intent to play a "fair & balanced" card pontificates about how unbiased they are, of course in a lively and highly energetic fashion. If the opposing view begins to make a point, its either shut down immediately by the host, or the pivot technique is performed to another issue.

All cable news is the same format though, Koppel is correct in the push for ratings points.
Can you provide me a link to a clip or transcript of this inteview where O'Reilly claims he isn't biased? I've seen him admit on his program many times that he is a conservative or a "traditionalist" news analyst and not an objective journalist. If he claimed that he wasn't biased as you said, it would be in direct contrast to what he has claimed many times in the past.

As far as O'Reilly interrupting guests before they can say something he doesn't like... I think you are exaggerating a little. Don't get me wrong, he does like to interrupt guests, but he does it to people who he agrees with, too. I was watching him with Bernie Goldberg a few weeks ago and I could tell Goldberg was getting frustrated at being constantly interrupted by O'Reilly, even tho O'Reily was in agreement with the points he was making.

To your last point about how all this is consistent with cable news... well, I disagree. Olbermann never is as bad as O'Reilly. I've never seen him once interrupt a guest who disagreed with him before that person could make their point....because Olbermann never allows anybody on his program who might challenge his point of view. So the situation never comes up.
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To your last point about how all this is consistent with cable news... well, I disagree. Olbermann never is as bad as O'Reilly. I've never seen him once interrupt a guest who disagreed with him before that person could make their point....because Olbermann never allows anybody on his program who might challenge his point of view. So the situation never comes up.
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Can you provide me a link to a clip or transcript of this inteview where O'Reilly claims he isn't biased? I've seen him admit on his program many times that he is a conservative or a "traditionalist" news analyst and not an objective journalist. If he claimed that he wasn't biased as you said, it would be in direct contrast to what he has claimed many times in the past.

As far as O'Reilly interrupting guests before they can say something he doesn't like... I think you are exaggerating a little. Don't get me wrong, he does like to interrupt guests, but he does it to people who he agrees with, too. I was watching him with Bernie Goldberg a few weeks ago and I could tell Goldberg was getting frustrated at being constantly interrupted by O'Reilly, even tho O'Reily was in agreement with the points he was making.

To your last point about how all this is consistent with cable news... well, I disagree. Olbermann never is as bad as O'Reilly. I've never seen him once interrupt a guest who disagreed with him before that person could make their point....because Olbermann never allows anybody on his program who might challenge his point of view. So the situation never comes up.
Gotta love youtube, Around 1:40 is where he pontificates the position that Fox isn't biased.
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Gotta love youtube, Around 1:40 is where he pontificates the position that Fox isn't biased.
In your original post, you claimed that he said "he (O'Reilly) never partakes in the unrelenting bias currently on the other networks." And you said here he claims that "Fox isn't biased" in the clip you linked. I didn't hear him say he doesn't partake in bias, and he didn't exactly say Fox isn't biased as a whole. He specifically referred to their daytime news broadcasts (guys like Shep Smith and Bret Baier) as being straight reporting.

You can disagree with his assesment of those guys as being examples of objective reporting (even tho I've heard a lot of liberals say that they admire Shep Smith), but I think your post overstated what he actually said in that clip with Hennigan. His claims of Fox not being biased were limited to a couple of afternoon news shows, not the entire network.
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O'Reilly talks about "himself" in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person depending on his current mood. Hell he starts his show with a "Talking Points Memo" that he refers to as a unique person, guess what, ITS HIM.
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