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OK Nick, I'll bite. Is there a reason that one citizen activist isn't allowed to discuss what he sees as an issue about the broadcast of some program? Is it you feel that just his discussion of the issue is enough for it to become an unlawful act by the broadcaster? To be clear here, you don't think its appropriate for anyone to question what another person does within the USA?

Do I understand your position, or do I need further information about it?

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12-07-2010 , 04:52 PM

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OK Nick, I'll bite. Is there a reason that one citizen activist isn't allowed to discuss what he sees as an issue about the broadcast of some program? Is it you feel that just his discussion of the issue is enough for it to become an unlawful act by the broadcaster? To be clear here, you don't think its not appropriate for anyone to question what another person does within the USA?

Do I understand your position, or do I need further information about it?

Wat

My point is that some people want conservatives off of public airwaves (talk radio).

I have no problem with criticism of media but that should not involve going to the government to try and get them kicked off the air.

The talk from the FCC commissioner is even more disturbing.

12-07-2010 , 05:23 PM

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Some people probably want liberals off public airwaves too. What exactly do you think you've proven?

12-07-2010 , 05:44 PM

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Some people probably want liberals off public airwaves too. What exactly do you think you've proven?

No we do not want liberals off the public airwaves. The left are the ones asking for the fairness doctrine not the right.

12-07-2010 , 05:55 PM

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Wait, who's "we"?

One person is like "I don't want conservatives on the air", and now you're turning this into what "the right" would do compared to all of "the left", which you've now assigned that one person's behavior to?

Not that anyone is surprised this is the hyperbolic point you were trying to make with your original post...

12-07-2010 , 06:05 PM

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e edwards died rip

12-07-2010 , 06:09 PM

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I speak for republicans. Its not one person there has been a campaign for years to get Fox and talk radio off the air

12-07-2010 , 06:15 PM

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Let me guess - not by individual people, but by "the left", amirite?

(I'd ask for a citation but I know that's expecting way too much out of you)

12-07-2010 , 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Let me guess - not by individual people, but by "the left", amirite?

(I'd ask for a citation but I know that's expecting way too much out of you)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine#Support

12-07-2010 , 06:27 PM

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How is the Fairness Doctrine an attempt to get conservatives off the air? That appears to have nothing to do with what I asked you.

12-07-2010 , 06:41 PM

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I speak for republicans. Its not one person there has been a campaign for years to get Fox and talk radio off the air

I accept you probably can't see the reasoning for a little restraint from the radical right broadcasters. While its true the actions of the on air talent haven't been directly responsible for violent acts, they have energized some to commit violent acts. Scott Roeder was probably encouraged when Bill O'Reilly called George Tiller, "Tiller the baby killer".

If that sort of extreme rhetoric is palatable then bring on the rallys. The cornerstone of the American system is free speech, but when that free speech is used as an enticement to violence, a civilized society normally will try to decrease its volume.

12-08-2010 , 01:52 PM

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I speak for republicans. Its not one person there has been a campaign for years to get Fox and talk radio off the air

I am ok with pressuring advertisers to pull ads from shows such as Glenn Becks "6 degrees to Adolf Hitler" show. Not with government action though.

12-08-2010 , 01:56 PM

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How is the Fairness Doctrine an attempt to get conservatives off the air? That appears to have nothing to do with what I asked you.

Well my friend conservative talk radio dominates the am radio airwaves and left wing talk has failed. The fairness doctrine would mandate equal time to each side. This would kill shows like Rush, Hannity, ect..

12-08-2010 , 02:03 PM

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I am ok with pressuring advertisers to pull ads from shows such as Glenn Becks "6 degrees to Adolf Hitler" show. Not with government action though.

Advertisers have been deserting Beck for a while now. Despite all the viewers he gets he is a lot less profitable than other hosts for the show - he is actually a bit of an outsider at Fox and nothing like the golden boy loved by all that some seem to think.

12-08-2010 , 02:06 PM

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Also as far as i can tell its a myth that "the left" is trying to shutdown Fox. They want them to stop the lies and general spreading of ******** and to find some kind of journalistic integrity but they have a right to exist ldo.

12-08-2010 , 02:09 PM

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Also as far as i can tell its a myth that "the left" is trying to shutdown Fox.

That's not the claim. The claim is that the fairness doctrine is an attempt to wipe out (right wing) talk radio. Which is a pretty valid claim IMO. Something like 100% of fairness doctrine supporters are part of "the left".

12-08-2010 , 02:24 PM

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The fairness doctrine in no way would wipe out the right. If being forced to not lie and give reasonable and realistic characterisations for and against subjects is so bad for you then you really need to re-examine whether you are a news channel or a propaganda channel.

12-08-2010 , 02:26 PM

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Are you sure you know what the fairness doctrine is?

12-08-2010 , 02:32 PM

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I skimmed the wiki page on it.

12-08-2010 , 03:11 PM

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Anyone else catch Anthony Weiner on with Megyn Kelly. Wow!

I'm sure there will be video soon

12-08-2010 , 03:17 PM

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this is a test. click the below link. read headline. its that simple.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ness_whatsNews

you know if you passed or not

12-08-2010 , 03:18 PM

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I skimmed the wiki page on it.

Suppose you are a radio broadcasting executive. You can put on music, sports, or talk shows. Only if you put on talk shows then you are required to run infomercials for free. Do you see how that tax makes running talk shows far less attractive?

Right wing talk radio sells, left wing talk radio does not. Under the fairness doctrine, in order to carry a show like Rush, a station would have to offer contrasting viewpoints. Since non right wing talk radio doesn't sell, the result is no more Rush.

The Internet has completely obsoleted the usefulness of the fairness doctrine. All that's left is the censorship part.

12-08-2010 , 03:24 PM

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The fairness doctrine isn't about balancing one propaganda outfit with giving equal time to factcheck.org. It's about giving equal time to two different spouts of propaganda.