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10-17-2018 , 09:11 PM

#701

uDevil

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I placed my first Amazon order in February 1998. Lol, my friends thought it was risky, like borderline irresponsible, to buy online. The reason it appealed to me was pretty much the same reason Sears succeeded- it was the only practical way to get certain items (in my case, books).

10-17-2018 , 09:15 PM

#702

zikzak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

And as soon as they figure out how to delivery groceries to city dwellers they are going to kill grocery stores as well.

Don't they already do this?

10-17-2018 , 09:19 PM

#703

kerowo

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I don't think it's at scale anywhere yet, I know it's been tried and some places like Fred Meyer are experimenting with online ordering for in store pickup but I don't see how you do it without it costing 20$ or more in fees.

10-17-2018 , 09:23 PM

#704

Namath12

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the Wal Mart grocery stores down here let you order groceries online and pick them up at the front door, just a matter of time before you pick them up at your own front door I'd think

10-17-2018 , 09:28 PM

#705

zikzak

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I find it hard to imagine shoppers letting the store pick their meats and produce, but I'm a weirdo who won't use drive-throughs so maybe that's just a me thing.

10-17-2018 , 09:31 PM

#706

Namath12

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yeah I am never buying meat or produce if I can't eyeball it first

10-17-2018 , 09:32 PM

#707

SuperUberBob

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I know a few people who have their groceries delivered to them by the supermarket.

I've never tried it before since I live walking distance from a supermarket but some places at least here in the UK will do that.

10-17-2018 , 09:44 PM

#708

Slighted

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Next anti-lgbt case is teed up:
These ****ing snowflake bigots...

This approach, if successful (and let’s be honest, it will be in the new Supreme Court), will have some serious implications for civil rights law:

I hate these ****ing people so much. If you want to be a bigot, don’t have a store front, be appointment only, don’t take state money for anything.

I still don’t see why the court feels it has to contort around public accommodation laws. I mean I know it’s because these judges are racists but any normal judge is just pointing to the public accommodation rules and saying here’s the law.

10-17-2018 , 09:56 PM

#709

NhlNut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

Imagine what the Amazon or Netflix killer looks like, what do you see?

3d printing

10-17-2018 , 10:07 PM

#710

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

Wouldn't surprise me too much if there's enough lazy people out there willing to pay $20 to make it feasible.

I've used Amazon to buy Asian ingredients that are hard to find in Ohio. Expensive, but worth it for the occasional splurge. Can't see myself using it for everyday things, but maybe I'm just getting old and set in my ways.

10-17-2018 , 10:29 PM

#711

DudeImBetter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

We reject the necessity of a policy that can be deduced from first principles. Seeming contradictions, such as black people but not acists being a protected class, are welcome and encouraged if they arise in response to empirical injustices.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

Ffs, we aren’t in Vietnam or China, our society is founded on the idea everyone is created equal. This implies that you treat everyone the same. You get to run a business in the US because you agree to follow the rules, and treating everyone the same is one of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

Why would they be able to? There are rules against this kind of thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

No, that would run afoul of the Federal Civil Rights Act and numerous other federal, and likely state and local laws. A private business open to the public cannot discriminate against someone based upon them being a member of a protected class.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

DudeImBetter, you're probably losing this argument upstream somewhere. If you start with some libertarian first principles ("why should a restaurant owner...") -- that individual preferences are sacrosanct -- then log off and go do something else. Your ACist dude you're chatting with is already 90% of the way there.

If you instead acknowledge that the state is necessarily a form of a social contract wherein we're all sort of negotiating consensus around when to use force and whose rights are protected and which rights to protect (the only practical way to discuss how the actual, empirical world works) then you can pivot the question as to why race-blind public accommodations are worthwhile state interests.

If you have instead internalized or conceded a bunch of libetartarian first principles, and it seems like you might have, then don't bother trying to work backwards into non discrimination in public accommodations, you lost the battle earlier.

Thx dudes. =)

10-17-2018 , 11:40 PM

#712

Trolly McTrollson

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From Libertarianism Makes You Stupid:

Quote:

1=2: A Proof using Complex Numbers

The Fallacious Proof:

* Step 1: -1/1 = 1/-1
* Step 2: Taking the square root of both sides: sqrt(-1/1) = sqrt(1/-1)
* Step 3: Simplifying: sqrt(-1) / sqrt(1) = sqrt(1) / sqrt(-1)
* Step 4: In other words, i/1 = 1/i.
* Step 5: Therefore, i / 2 = 1 / (2i),
* Step 6: i/2 + 3/(2i) = 1/(2i) + 3/(2i),
* Step 7: i (i/2 + 3/(2i) ) = i ( 1/(2i) + 3/(2i) ),
* Step 8: (i^2)/2 + (3i)/2i = i/(2i) + (3i)/(2i),
* Step 9: (-1)/2 + 3/2 = 1/2 + 3/2,
* Step 10: and this shows that 1=2.

Even more advanced! Complex numbers have been used for centuries, who can doubt the soundness of their principles?

This is why, as a pure matter of tactics, it's dangerous to get into preaching contests with Libertarians. Sometimes it's better to say "1=2 is utter nonsense, and if you believe that from the Libertarian Mathematics, you've had your mind rotted". Now, this does leave an opening for a reply "Nyah, nyah, you didn't go over every line of that proof and find the error, you have to do that, or you're close-minded". But someone could do more good at times by pointing out that there are people walking around spouting the political equivalent of "1=2" than getting into an involved discussion about part x of step y. This is where Libertarianism Makes You Stupid, the grip of subtly flawed logic can overwhelm everything else.

In part why Libertarian is a disease of techno-geeks is that you have to be fairly intelligent to find that sort of long axiomatic proof at all convincing. Of course, the task is easier when they are "proving" that you don't have to pay taxes, but it gets harder when they try to prove anti-discriminations laws are bad, as we'll see below.

Note this is not an attack on Mathematics, Algebra, Logical Reasoning, and all that, which would be another rhetorical tactic they could use as an accusation. This is the basic reasoning problem of Libertarianism. There's a lot of platitudes (against big government), but every once in a while they slip in some kickers (virtually absolute contract). Whenever anyone points out the kickers, they can revert to the platitudes, saying that's *really* what the philosophy's about. And try to smuggle in the kickers via some other route.

Consider, how long would to take you to find - and explain - the fallacies in the "proofs" above? Now think about doing this in a political philosophy, much vaguer, with a bunch of cultists proselytizing over it.

The way to deal with libertarianism is simply to look at the conclusions they draw and realize that they are all absolute hot garbage. Taxation is not "theft." The Civil Rights Act was a good thing. The Confederates were the bad guys. Privatized social services are garbage. Government-free societies are hellholes no one wants to live in. Rich people tend to be greedy leeching *******s.

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10-17-2018 , 11:42 PM

#713

TJ Eckleburg12

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If you follow the news in America these days, no matter what you believe politically, you get a lot of bad news. I firmly believe in the progress of humanity over time, and that our best days as a species are still ahead. So here are 23 great graphs in many important, empirical metrics that show how much better the world has gotten recently.

10-18-2018 , 12:09 AM

#714

grando1.0

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I had my groceries delivered to me weekly like 10 years ago (lol food desert). Wtf are you guys talking about? Even in the States I could get groceries delivered to wherever I was. A ridiculous amount of stores offered the service.

It's the only way tons of lololds and pretend poker pros sustained themselves.

10-18-2018 , 12:16 AM

#715

iron81

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Remember that Amazon bought Whole Foods a couple months ago. They're probably planning to split the country with Wal-Mart along income lines.

Buying groceries online has been a thing for 20 years, PeaPod is still around.

10-18-2018 , 12:38 AM

#716

Huehuecoyotl

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Wal-Mart's Pickup service is pretty good. Saves a good hour to two a week spent walking around the store.

10-18-2018 , 12:58 AM

#717

Huehuecoyotl

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Man it is creepy and dark how quickly deplorable politicians and operatives picked up and ran with the George Soros thing

10-18-2018 , 01:05 AM

#718

uDevil

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McGahn Mcgone

Quote:

"Typically you would have the incumbent stay until the successor was ready to take his place. But in this case McGahn was tired of the President and the President was tired of McGahn," a source told CNN.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...N8ZFOD4xbU2nov

10-18-2018 , 01:22 AM

#719

chezlaw

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,851

Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Help me deal with this ACist nonsense:

"I see you're struggling lets make it simpler.

Should a Vietnamese restaurant owner be free to deny service to a Chinese person for reasons of historical Veitnamese/Chinese conflicts that are totally opaque to you and you cannot discern anything about the oppressor/oppressed relationship?

I know this sort of calm thinking is unsettling to you because you drag so much emotional baggage into these discussions, but I think you will find in the long run that if you learn how chill out, lay all the pieces out and work through the logic calmly, you will arrive at a reassuringly consistent conclusion."

Let's agree to keep it calm and simple.

Some of us prefer a democratic system which doesn't allow that discrimination to one that does allow it. It would be illogical to go against our preferences. You prefer to allow it but live in the same democracy so one of us is going to lose (you as it happens).

10-18-2018 , 01:33 AM

#720

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Don't they already do this?

Amazon deliver groceries in london. I dont use it because the supermarkets also deliver. It's cheaper (or at least as cheap) to buy on-line than in-store

Big discounts are commonly available on top - recently had £15 off a £50 shop (have 3 £10 off £50 waiting to be used). This is presumably a fight for market share that will stop at some point.

10-18-2018 , 01:35 AM

#721

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Quote:

Tedesco insisted that the Larsens have a free speech right to refuse to film same-sex weddings because they wish to “tell stories about marriage.”

Really stretching there.

10-18-2018 , 06:29 AM

#722

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Are people really sentimental over Sears going out of business? Seems like a symptom of late-stage capitalism that the news is running all these stories of people getting reminiscing over the death of a proto-big box store.

I got a **** ton of craftstman tools that were life time guaranteed. had them for 25 years. thing is, and I know this is old man yells at cloud back in my day, the initial tools lasted for a long time and I still have most. but the recent replacements suck and break easily. like, I broke a socket wrench after like 20years of usage, and then I broke its replacement like 3 times. the new ones suck compared to the old.

anyway, I guess its not sentimentality, but tools are expensive and if I break one now I gotta buy it again.

10-18-2018 , 07:11 AM

#723

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Amazon Prime Now (their grocery delivery service) operates now in a number of cities. I used it recently during a vacation to Disney World (it operates in Orlando) and I have to admit it was pretty awesome. Saved a lot of money versus only eating at the disney resorts/parks and provided a lot of staples for my young daughter that would have been otherwise tricky to get. If the service was available in my home area I would totally use it. The prices were comparable to real grocery prices, the only additional cost was tipping the delivery person.