Well obv

This works until there are more people than the amount of land that one person can sustain themselves from * the population. I think we are well past that point.

People quoting biblical passages as ways to run an economy now?

What new rabbit out of the hat will politics produce today.

The thing is though, it takes a special kind of person to accept that this is an intelligent government (starts out small). Remember also all the other laws that kill off the infidels left and right.

Tien obv wouldn't make it past day 1

I do not see how Marxist regimes or corrupt government prove that any policy interfering with the market is bound to fail. (?)

Also you regarding 40 Million of your countrymen as weak, seems incredibly cold hearded especially since a free market actually helps the poor.
What I am saying is: Yes alot of these deficits, like major inequality, are if not caused than atleast fortified by the Government but without everything would be even worse. Alot worse.

What we need is stable rules so that a true "free market" market can emerge.

Didn't mean to imply that the economic/political system in the US is perfect. I eagerly await the list of reforms that the Occupiers demand. Suzzer has posted a list of improvements in taxation and curbing political influence that could be beneficial.

Sometimes you gotta just appreciate the skill the GOP/Fox News/Tea Party noise machine has. I mean, coming up with a way to support TARP but still hate the stimulus? That's good.

The best part is in previous threads where Boa has said the stimulus billed were to support unions I've asked for support and eventually shown that Boa has no idea what's in the stimulus bills. I know he read those threads. Still here we sit.

stew- but the pie isn't fixed, the [non banker] billionaires have created tons of value for everyone else, we need to have incentives to improve others lives,

in the USSR, if a construction company designed a new crane and it failed, they were punished severely. if that company designed a new, far more efficient and inexpensive crane, the state would either prohibit anyone else from using that crane, or take the design and all the profits from it, give it to everyone, and give the inventor a gold sticker. wouldn't everyone be better off if the crane inventor could market idea to everyone and ascend from middle class to the top 1% of society?

Wait a minute. You are proposing going back to the medieval ages? Where you sit and die on 1 little piece of dirt for the rest of your life?

So we have no running water?

So I can just build a canal and start charging you "land users" for the use of it right?

What if I start building brick huts for you guys? Will you give me your cow?

That's simple. I'll just start a home building business. Moses didn't say anything about having a business did he?

Don't you belong in the Sporting Events forum?

You're with your intellectual equals there.

I'm listening.

As long as the people have their baseline farm, its all good imo. (so far, I wanna hear how your going to do it)

basically same to shermanash, any additional market situations that arn't expressly forbidden are all good.

the big one being, no charging interest - however maybe up to like 2 percent processing fees are acceptable

It's actually much simpler as a capitalist to do business in those economic realities as you propose.

I'll round up a few workers that by human nature want more than just their piece of dirt and what they can grow on it. We'll partner up and create a business.

We'll start a home building business first. Just wood and we'll give you landowners some good roofs over your heads, and warm homes. In return we'll receive payment in cows and livestock or produce from the land. With these cows I'll start a milk business.

On another empty lot I'll stack the cows and we'll sell milk to you landowners. I'll also start breeding cows and horses and chickens.

When we've reached enough critical mass of people living in one area, we'll start building canals to have running water into all the homes.

After a certain point, the people will realize they need a currency to trade with. We'll use whatever rare earth metal we can find to trade with it.

Whichever landowner that doesn't want to live in the area anymore, I'll lease the land from them, pay them a nominal yearly fee, and sublease the land to another worker that wants to stay in whichever area suits them. People come and go all the time.

It wouldn't even be fair. I wouldn't even need to charge interest. I'd be a millionaire in livestock currency within a few years. Of course, to avoid public dissatisfaction of my growing wealth, I'll give back a certain % of my livestock and wealth into a communal fund every year.

After I've achieved such status, I would give back most of the livestock I've accumulated back to the people and get myself elected as their communal tribal leader. Mission accomplished.

Your not going to be able to build a canal because I don't think you can acquire more land than your allotted.

Home building seems fine.

My house right now runs on well water, I'm not really sure the mechanics of it, but I'd imagine that would work, no?

We're derailing this thread. If you want to discuss this further with me send me a pm. I'd entertain the idea.

Wow, no ones actually ever talked to me about this (its usually insta dismiss), I think I need to study Deut. more. I'm actually glad you see possibilities opening up.

In your plan, I don't see how anyone was oppresed, so seems fine.

If you think your going to be elected tribal leader and then start changing laws, thats where your going to get stoned however.

You might enjoy this link and then I guess were done here (look around you'll find some relevant info) http://www.jahtruth.net/politics.htm

zOMG, what a link! Only 30 seconds in and I've already found UFO Jesus stuff! Plus circa-1993 table layouts, bolding, italics, CAPITALISATION, and at times a complete trifecta of BOLDED AND ITALICISED CAPITALISATION!

I'm going to be reading this crap for hours.

lol bankrupted the auto industry. I suppose you just mean GM, who had a ****ty finance arm and made all kinds of poor business decisions. I assume that conservatives look at successful business that are unionized and stare blankly in amazement.

like USPS?

Unions are preventing me from having another NBA season this year.

TO HELL WITH THEM!!

USPS is not in trouble because of unions. In fact, its pretty easy to argue that it's not in trouble at all.

this seems to be an official usps blog:
http://blog.uspsoig.gov/?p=1952
so i guess, go ahead and argue that it's not in trouble at all

I haven't been following this USPS stuff but afaik it has something to do how they're forced to account for pension liabilities in an effort to prove that USPS sucks.

moar lulz
Digital Currency: An Opportunity for the Postal Service?
AND THE POSTAL SERVICE WILL BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THESE METHODS WITH OUR PAPER

Everything you wrote here was entirely accurate depending on what level we are to think about this on. You are completely right that bailing out the banks was absolutely necessary to avert the immediate collapse/crisis that would have ensued had we not, assuming the objective was to simply do something to keep the non-viable economy we had propped up. But if we are talking about the overall best way to set the economy on a sustainable path then just taking the pain of that crisis would be much more excruciating short term, but better long term. Bailing the banks out just changed the form of the losses and transferred them as future losses to holders of the dollar, which is an easy fix short term, more excruciating long term. So yeah, it was absolutely necessary if we wanted to salvage the badly misallocted and distorted economy that we'd been living with.

Saving these jobs is a big part of the problem long term though. There are sectors of the economy that shouldn't and wouldn't exist if not for the asset bubbles and government intervention in the market. By trying to prop up these sectors and keep people working unproductive jobs just makes the problems worse.