USPS is currently being forced to pre pay 75 years of health care costs over a ten year span. This is to offset them getting credit for over paying something like 80B$ in pension credits so as to not have the treasury take that hit.

Their deficit since Congress put the pre payment plan into effect has been 20B$, the cost of the pre payment has been 21B$. There is no private company or government agency that does this. It's basically the treasury taking money from them to make the federal deficit look smaller.

my jaw dropped when i saw this after previously accepting the corporate media spin on the issue

so the government is taking money from other parts of the gov to make the numbers look better- standard.

but lets focus on that instead of the whole obsolete letter system, coupled with getting outcompeted in the online shipping market by fedex and ups.

the mail sucks- utility companies now routinely charge me to request a paper bill- even though that is the format i prefer it in.

and what's their plan to combat this?
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/po...-goes-negative

lolgoalpostshiftmuch?

You tried attacking USPS because it's doing badly as a union shop. After you found out that their problems don't come from union bull**** you attack their ads? Right, unions=bad, we get it.

A company running advertisements to try to get people to use their service? That'll never work!

But the best part is the amazing cognitive dissonance hear of laughing at the idea of trying to get people to want paper bills when literally two sentences earlier you were talking about how you want paper bills?

I have no idea what this has anything to do with unions. I mean, the Koch-funded attack on the idea of organized labor has been incredibly successful, so Autocratic was like "I bet conservatives would be baffled by a successful business that used union labor". For some reason Tien tried to rebut that by mentioning what he believed was an unsuccessful business that uses union labor(USPS). From there we've now forgotten about the union thing and are not just making generalized anti-government complaints about nothing in particular?

The amazing thing about picking the Postal Service to talk about here is that UPS is unionized. Whoops.

lol

FYP. From Wikipedia... Organizing is a basic human right, just like our rights to assemble and speak. Not sorry if that annoys you.

PIZZA DELIVERY IS SO DUMB, I WANT THEM TO BRING MY PIZZA IN A SOLID GOLD PIZZABOX BUT THEY WON'T DO IT WHAT A ****ING RIPOFF

Our basic human right to organize has even been recognized under International Law, as well as USA#1 law. From Wikipedia...

I claimed the unionized USPS was in trouble, rj claimed it was 'very easy'
to argue USPS is in no trouble at all- a bold claim considering it's own company blog
claims it's in a financial crisis and it's running desperate attack ads against... Email.

still waiting for that easy argument how everything is just fine over there.

Extra toppings 75c more. Why are you spamming our thread? There's a whole 'nother thread for spamming, trolling, and calling us names.

pvn is mocking the "other side", the guy who said post is a dead industry and in the same post got pissed and companies for charging him to send physical letters with his bills in them as he prefers.

when I'm making fun of you, you'll know it

haters getting mad itt

most of the wealth obtained by those few thousand was not stolen but created.

the minority that got rich because of others are mostly because of the FED. but yes, people love to blame people with more money than them.

Greatings from occupied San Diego-Tijuana!

Our third day of occupation, Sunday 10-9, was still another great day! The coolest of all of block parties / sleepovers continues. The mood on the streets remains festive. I simply can't explain how fun this is! We have tons of families with their children. We have some free food. We have entertainment. Come on down and visit us!

Camp Civic Center, 2nd & C in downtown San Diego. Use the Civic Center trolley stop on either the blue or orange lines. Our GA is at 7pm. We have our information table set up and staffed.

Americas Finest, the SDPD continue to be on our side. They are blocking the intersections and the trolley for our safety and convenience. They are maintaining a minimal police presence at our camp, again for our safety. I have been making an effort to thank these fellow 99ers, fellow workers, and fellow union workers for all the hard work they are doing for us.

We had free concerts from Liquid Blue and Todo Mundo. By all reports, a great show. The education committee also has the free library set up.

The reason I missed the show is I was occupying a bar stool at my new local bar: Downtown Johnny Brown's. I enjoyed watching my Chargers spank the Broncos 29-24. This is so cool... there is a killer neighborhood style bar & grill right on our mall. I've already made nice-nice with the owner and some staff. This means as I am a regular customer, I have another "out" to use the bathrooms. And I gotta place to watch the playoffs without abandoning our occupation. If anyone wants to ship a solidarity dial-a-shot, PM me!

After the free concerts (and Charger victory) we had another parade. This time to the Wells Fargo tower, to tell the empty building just how much the banking industry is despised. Besides the visceral bitterness directed at the banking industry, the big chants today were "Hay hay, ho ho, corporate greed has got to go!" and "You are the 99 percent!". The last chant actually worked, as quite a few individuals and families joined our parade en-route. Our parade probably started out smaller than the last two days, but might have ended up bigger by the end.

In solidarity, x357317

PS: And this is very important: everyone in San Diego should write this number in big digits on your arm 707-663-4493. It's the only cool thing to do!
And that went zoom... right over my head. So my bad, and sorry pvn. Yeah that was epic politards LOLZ, from zero to contradiction just that quick. I'll try to make it up with a funny story about a mentally unstable dude at my new local bar, who by coincidence happened to be a Paultard.

Without the treasury taking it's money it would be in the black as it has always been. Sure they have to deal with the recession and the evolution of the internets and email but all companies have to adapt to changes. Keep eating up the manufactured crisis, at least you're helping by paying to have your bills sent to you....

I'm gonna stop hijacking now, feel free to PM me about USPS if you'd like.

I was watching the news in San Diego. Most of these Occupy San Diegans look homeless and this just gives them something to do. One guy got interviewed and asked,"How long do you plan on protesting?"

He replied,"Until I find a ride up north."

Hilarious.

I was being sarcastic there MD.

I'm a capitalist but I don't fundamentally hate unions.

And FWIW I think the player's union is being more on the up and up than the owners.

What's hilarious, that the MSM churns out this poop, or that people actually eat this poop up with a smile on their face?

You're right about this. But it isn't what my point 100% is.

Without the bailouts, the good businesses would have been put into bankruptcy along with the bad businesses.

Good companies like GE would have collapsed just like GM. Two different businesses. One managed and ran horribly (GM), and another a fine solid company (GE) that just needed revolving commercial paper to pay payroll.

Letting the entire economy collapse would be like throwing the baby out with the dirty bath water. Not good.

You're not suggesting the Main Stream Media is biased? They would never steer me wrong. I like my poop with a cherry on top, so I usually watch Turko files.

BTW, an amusing incident happened at the bar. Bar rules still apply, and the big three taboo topics are still taboo: no discussion of politics, religion, or if Pluto is a planet. I put a sweatshirt on over my IWW shirt for a reason. There were four of us at the bar: me, a cool sober white civilian named Jason, a sober white protester I'll call Paul, and a cool but very drunk black civilian named Clay.

So Jason asked off-hand about how the protest worked. I was trying to explain GA, but Paul kept interrupting, prating on about Ron Paul, and "free markets" and of course the THE FED. Every time Jason and Clay would ask him nicely to please stop interrupting, he would get madder. Every time Paul would start prating about RP, Jason would just laugh and say all the politicians are the same, and "Rue Paul" is a geriatric racist. And then Clay would then chime in drunkenly saying he didn't care for racists, not quite in those words. Paul would get madder still. Finally he got a pen out and started furiously writing notes on the napkins.

As happens, Jason got up to use the little boy's room. Now, with only an empty bar stool between us Paul turned to me. I hadn't expressed any opinions yet, so he started telling me about evils of the THE FED and that I should vote for RP. I just laughed and told him I couldn't care less about the Fed. He started to turn red, sputtering in anger "how can you not care...", and goes on to pimp RP again. I just laugh and say I don't vote. He turns redder still, and spits out, "you're not an anarchist are you?" I laughed and said duh. At this point Paul stands up, kicks the empty bar stool back, faces me and has his fists clinched in ready position. He barks "you're not an ACist", are you? I laughed again, and said of course not, I'm not insane. I'm a real anarchist, a real IWW, and I've sniffed real tear gas before.

At this point take half a step towards me, but then I could see a little light go on in his head, he turns 90 degrees and steps away from the bar, completely dissembling along the lines since that I don't believe in private property, that he's going to come over and buttrape my family, blah, blah, blah, and storms off.

All this time, I never physically reacted or raised my voice at all. Clay said you would have put him down. I said he's bigger than me, half my age, not in poor shape like myself, I practice non-violence, I'm a pacifist, and the last fight I was in was 4th grade. Why do you say that? He says because you just would have. I said fair enough.

When Jason came back, me and Clay were cracking up. But Jason squeezed the last LOLZ out of Paul. He picked up the napkins, and read them to us... Paul was writing his own little Atlas Shrugged that the voices in his own head was dictating. And because of Paul's disturbance, the bartender cut Clay off. Clay who knew he was too drunk, thanked the bartender, and left still chuckling about Paul. Well played sir, well played.

My block has an ongoing parking issue the city refuses to stop causing, and refuses to char with us about. Everyone says talk to Turko. I've heard from reliable sources that he's a regular at a nearby bar I occasionally go to, and that he is coolest of dudes.

PM me, and come on down to visit. I'll buy any over 21 yo 2+2er who comes down to Occupy a beer at Downtown Johnny Browns. BTW, yesterday the owner said he might have broke his sales record, and they ran out of half of the handles on the taps.

cool story bro

OccupyX spreading to Mexico on October 15th. I'll try and take some pictures. Hopefully I will convince more people that socialism is lol although many seemingly want to go down that route.