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Old 02-14-2008, 10:21 PM   #1
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Obama's Global Poverty Act / U.N. Millennium Goals (disarmament of guns, kyoto, etc)

I was watching Glenn Beck tonight and he had a segment about Obama's budget. The Global Poverty Act which was sponsored by Obama passed today. It includes a $845 billion 13 year total plan to ship money to the U.N. to then send out to poor countries. The idea comes from the "U.N. Millennium Development goals" which was orchestrated in 2000. They want to reduce poverty by 2015, and the U.S. will help by giving an extra $845 billion added on to whatever we already give to the U.N to distribute to poor countries.

The U.N. goals Obama referred to in whole also consist of banning "small arms and light weapons" around the globe so there can be peace and etc, and also having everyone under Kyoto and other treaties. This is scary imo because it would be great to have everyone get along, smoking joints under trees while birds chip by, but it's entirely unrealistic. Their goal is a one world government without people having access to guns it seems to me. One interesting thing I picked up from one of the articles was this quote from the U.N. Millennium:

The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as “the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development.”

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Old 02-14-2008, 10:27 PM   #2
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Re: Obama's Global Poverty Act / U.N. Millennium Goals (disarmament of guns, kyoto, e

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but isn't the UN generally thought of as pretty LOL?
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:34 PM   #3
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Darnit Obama, this is dissapointing. I wish I had someone I could vote for in November.
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:35 PM   #4
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I see no reference at all to specific numbers or amounts that the US would spend on this anywhere in the bill.
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:42 PM   #5
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I see no reference at all to specific numbers or amounts that the US would spend on this anywhere in the bill.
Obama's bill is identical to the U.N. Millennium's objectives. To decrease hunger by a certain % by 2015. The head of the U.N. Millennium states the cost of the agenda:

Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.’s “Millennium Project,” says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.’s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the “Millennium Development Goals,” this amounts to $845 billion. And the only way to raise that kind of money, Sachs has written, is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:01 PM   #6
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Obama's bill is identical to the U.N. Millennium's objectives. To decrease hunger by a certain % by 2015. The head of the U.N. Millennium states the cost of the agenda:

Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.’s “Millennium Project,” says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.’s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the “Millennium Development Goals,” this amounts to $845 billion. And the only way to raise that kind of money, Sachs has written, is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.
US pledged to support the millennium development goals when it was first introduced and reiterated its support a couple years ago.

Also, the bill states that achieving the UNMG is only one of its goals. A strategy for doing so hasn't been developed, nor will it for a while. From the bill itself:
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(a) Strategy- The President, acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:07 PM   #7
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Re: Obama's Global Poverty Act / U.N. Millennium Goals (disarmament of guns, kyoto, e

This is where the two halves of me war.

On one hand, a global society is (I believe) the logical end-point of humanity. (If we don't kill ourselves first) So I can understand this movement in that direction. Our dollars, as crappy as they are doing here, can REALLY help a LOT of people in other countries.

On the other hand, it's not like we're exactly doing that well in the US. Where's this money going to come from? Why does the government have to do it instead of a large charity? Will it be transparent and efficent? (It's the government, stupid, of course not!)
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:21 PM   #8
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Also, the bill states that achieving the UNMG is only one of its goals. A strategy for doing so hasn't been developed, nor will it for a while. From the bill itself:
I don't follow you. Obama says in his bill that the purpose is To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

The Millennium Development goal was a package of $845 billion by 2015 and Obama specifically says in this bill that the goal is to meat the Millennium's needs.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:30 PM   #9
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I don't follow you. Obama says in his bill that the purpose is To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.
Meeting the UNMG is only one of the goals of the bill. Notice how it doesn't say simply meeting the UNMG is it's only purpose, but that the UNMG is a part of a bigger policy.

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The Millennium Development goal was a package of $845 billion by 2015 and Obama specifically says in this bill that the goal is to meat the Millennium's needs.
No, the bill says it wants to achieve the UNMD. Nowhere in the bill does it say it will take the same strategy as the UN has proposed or even the same standards of funding. That's why it says its purpose is for the president to develop a strategy to meet several goals, one of which is the UNMG.

Also, US support for the UNMG is nothing new. We supported it when it was first introduced in 2000 and reaffirmed our support a couple years ago.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:42 PM   #10
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No, the bill says it wants to achieve the UNMD. Nowhere in the bill does it say it will take the same strategy as the UN has proposed or even the same standards of funding. That's why it says it purpose is for the president to develop a strategy to meet several goals, one of which is the UNMG.
You're right, it doesn't lay down specifically what needs to be done to achieve the goal. So you are saying Obama is pushing for the UNMG 2015 goal but is not necessarily going to do the $845 billion package via carbon tax to get it accomplished?
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:52 PM   #11
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You're right, it doesn't lay down specifically what needs to be done to achieve the goal. So you are saying Obama is pushing for the UNMG 2015 goal but is not necessarily going to do the $845 billion package via carbon tax to get it accomplished?
Yes, Obama is pushing to meet the UNMG goals. As far as the carbon tax, that was Sach's idea and while he would probably be consulted in whatever policy is made, I doubt the US would create a poverty reduction program only to have it be subordinate to the UNMP.
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