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09-12-2011 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
bahahaha, so the dow opens -80, Obama speaks at some point during the day, and now the Dow is closing at about +55.

In b4 loumike never posts in Politics again!
today i lose but i have hope that obama will open his mouth again. you see i post again without fear or shame. i know i will end up with the monies thanks to my friend mr. obama. so today was not a win but not as big a loss as some of you folks take on a regular basis.
09-12-2011 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by loumike
today i lose but i have hope that obama will open his mouth again. you see i post again without fear or shame. i know i will end up with the monies thanks to my friend mr. obama. so today was not a win but not as big a loss as some of you folks take on a regular basis.
Obama is going to speak pretty much nonstop between now and Nov. 2012. Wall Street is only going to care about what he has to say if he has the power to make it happen. The job's program/campaign or tax the rich thing is not going to happen.
09-12-2011 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Dude, you haven't been listening to loumike, the market blew chunks last Friday 100% because of Obama's Thursday night speech
This is what you were told by the majority of institutional investors who were selling that day?
09-12-2011 , 07:40 PM
Yeah, they were all like "what, Europe is collapsing? I hadn't heard, I just know Obama spoke last night"
09-12-2011 , 08:01 PM
I will prove why everyone is deep down inside is anti-union and anti-minimum wage. I want you to list the wages ($ per hour) for the jobs below for which you would do the work if you had the right eduction to do job.

Airplane Pilot
Nursing Home Nurse
McDonalds Clerk
Flight Attendent
Auto Plant Sweeper
Toy Manufacturer
President of USA (POTUS)
Game Warden
FBI Agent
Board Member or CEO
09-12-2011 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Politically, couldn't be more full of fail. Over half is tax cuts, but of course the right will trash it, call him a socialist, say he's the most anti-business president ever, meow chow. Meanwhile the left has one more reason to jetsfansatthenfldraft.jpg and some more of them will realize he doesn't actually share their views on anything.
Our government blows so much dick right now.
09-12-2011 , 08:41 PM
Cost per vote bought, I mean jerb "created or saved": $312k.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/cost-o...-who-paying-it
09-12-2011 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by steelhouse
I will prove why everyone is deep down inside is anti-union and anti-minimum wage. I want you to list the wages ($ per hour) for the jobs below for which you would do the work if you had the right eduction to do job.

Airplane Pilot
Nursing Home Nurse
McDonalds Clerk
Flight Attendent
Auto Plant Sweeper
Toy Manufacturer
President of USA (POTUS)
Game Warden
FBI Agent
Board Member or CEO
mcd's, plant sweeper...$18/hr (wouldn't do anything for less)
nursing home nurse...$22/hr (triple that if it requires poopy ass wiping)
game warden...$75k/yr
flght att. or pilot...$100k to $125k/yr
fbi agt...$150K/yr
prez...$1miillion/yr
ceo or board member $1million+

toy manufacturer???
09-12-2011 , 10:29 PM
$535 million of stimulus money went to Solyndra.



House to probe failed energy company Solyndra.
09-12-2011 , 10:34 PM
Wait did something bad happen to some company named Solyndra that got stimulus money?

I've been checking the Politics forum but no one seems to be posting anything about it. Well either that or I have the memory of a goldfish.
09-12-2011 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jacksquat
mcd's, plant sweeper...$18/hr (wouldn't do anything for less)
nursing home nurse...$22/hr (triple that if it requires poopy ass wiping)
game warden...$75k/yr
flght att. or pilot...$100k to $125k/yr
fbi agt...$150K/yr
prez...$1miillion/yr
ceo or board member $1million+

toy manufacturer???
Prez makes 400k not 1 mill
09-12-2011 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jacksquat
mcd's, plant sweeper...$18/hr (wouldn't do anything for less)
nursing home nurse...$22/hr (triple that if it requires poopy ass wiping)
game warden...$75k/yr
flght att. or pilot...$100k to $125k/yr
fbi agt...$150K/yr
prez...$1miillion/yr
ceo or board member $1million+

toy manufacturer???
Thanks for posting but the point is everyone has a price. Minimum wage is not needed in your economy because you would not accept any job less than $18. All wages are relative, thus wages for jobs might drop, but so would prices. Thus, to deny one a job who wants to earn less than minimum wage hurts those that want to work for less than minimum wage. A union only serves one purpose to protect the workers of the union at the expense of employees that want to get into that business.
Thus, the union probably denied you the opportunity to work as plant sweeper and possibly pilot. I am surprised you didn't say $15 per hr for president or CEO, to me I would much rather have that job than McDonalds worker.

Everyone has a price and the invisible hand will automatically set wages for any position. The wages of these positions will be fair or perfect. In a free economy, many jobs like FBI agent, CEO, pilot might actually fall below flight attendant, nursing home worker, and McDonalds worker as they are more prestigious and don't require abuse by obnoxious guests.

So in today's economy every job should be open. But, they are not! They are protected. Good jobs or overpaid jobs are protected and bad jobs are not. The unemployed would rather just watch tv than accept a wage they feel is below their minimum. Unemployment insurance only adds to your $18/hr wage requirement.
09-12-2011 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluffzorz
Prez makes 400k not 1 mill
So he would not take the job. Unless he failed to factor in speeches and books before and after office. I think $1 no benefits is the free market price for president.

I think campaign funds should be ended, and when you make an unlimited political campaign contribution it goes directly into the candidates wallet. since Obama coffers are $200 million, at least $100 million would go to taxes.
09-13-2011 , 02:46 AM
LOLZ at this ****ing ******ed dimwit of a president.

Raising taxes on the 250k and over crowd will spur job growth? Really?

Another LOLZ at the "temporary" payroll tax drop. This idiot just doesnt get it. I hope the Repubs pass this so that unemployment rockets to 13-15% which will lead to his demise in 2012. Holy christ what an idiot.
09-13-2011 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeinyonkers
Another LOLZ at the "temporary" payroll tax drop. This idiot just doesnt get it. I hope the Repubs pass this so that unemployment rockets to 13-15% which will lead to his demise in 2012. Holy christ what an idiot.
I'm assuming you'd be willing to bet that unemployment will rocket to 13-15% within a relatively short period of time after this passes. Please state the conditions and odds under which you'll never put your money where your mouth is.
09-13-2011 , 07:24 AM
Why would a payroll tax drop lead to unemployment?

Also I swear republicans could get their base to rally against a freaking middle class tax cut if they just say Obama is behind it. Payroll tax cut? HELL NO!
09-13-2011 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Wait did something bad happen to some company named Solyndra that got stimulus money?

I've been checking the Politics forum but no one seems to be posting anything about it. Well either that or I have the memory of a goldfish.
The article is dated Sept 12. It just happened recently.

Obama didn't read Reagan. The government is the problem, not the solution. It should not create jobs. It should create a business environment, where the private sector can create jobs. Eliminate most of those 25,000 pages of regs.
09-13-2011 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeinyonkers
LOLZ at this ****ing ******ed dimwit of a president.

Raising taxes on the 250k and over crowd will spur job growth? Really?

Another LOLZ at the "temporary" payroll tax drop. This idiot just doesnt get it. I hope the Repubs pass this so that unemployment rockets to 13-15% which will lead to his demise in 2012. Holy christ what an idiot.
I am pretty sure he realizes there is no chance the Reps will raise taxes. In fact when he first proposed the getting rid of the deductions for the rich in 2009 the Dems would not even support it. The charities and foundations would go crazy if something like this passed. This is pure campaign rhetoric.

The temporary payroll tax drop sounds better then cutting funding for soc. security. How else can he promise to get money to those who do not pay fed income tax. He really has nothing else to talk about until the reps pick thier candidate and he needs to pretend he is doing something and these problems are the other guys fault. Also, it provides a nice excuse to hit the campaign trail give speaches (blaming the reps for thiese problems) and pretend he is doing his job at the same time. I don't think he is an idiot, just trying to figure out a way steal a pot when he has duece seven dealt to him.
09-13-2011 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Wait did something bad happen to some company named Solyndra that got stimulus money?

I've been checking the Politics forum but no one seems to be posting anything about it. Well either that or I have the memory of a goldfish.
That company got ~$500M of stimulus money, and recently declared bankruptcy.

Obama touted them as a green energy producer/ job creator, obv had no clue what he was talking about on this one. I assume he will blame GB or Repubs in congress though...
09-13-2011 , 11:10 AM
Of course the article is only a couple days old. FoxNews and the right wing machine will keep it going for months.

$800 billion stimulus and they made a big mistake with less than 1% of the funds SHOCKER! I'm sure you guys have looked into every project in aggregate and formed an educated opinion RIGHT?

More importantly why do you care 100x more when a green energy co swindles the govt then when every investment bank does it systematically? Probably the same reason you care so much more that poor people don't pay income tax than you do that a hedge fund manager pays less than you.

Now imagine if Obama let even one Gitmo detainee go who went on to harm one American anywhere. It would be SOLYNDRA!!!!! x infinity. Fox would run the story 24/7 for months.

Let's talk about jobs Mr. President. But if you actually try todo anything and make one mistake, especially if it's an area we hate with a passion like green energy, we will celebrate like there's no tomorrow. Proving once again the republicans' only captivating platform is random Obama grievances.

Last edited by suzzer99; 09-13-2011 at 11:20 AM.
09-13-2011 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Of course the article is only a couple days old. FoxNews and the right wing machine will keep it going for months.

$800 billion stimulus and they made a big mistake with less than 1% of the funds SHOCKER! I'm sure you guys have looked into every project in aggregate and formed an educated opinion RIGHT?

More importantly why do you care 100x more when a green energy co swindles the govt then when every investment bank does it systematically? Probably the same reason you care so much more that poor people don't pay income tax than you do that a hedge fund manager pays less than you.

Now imagine if Obama let even one Gitmo detainee go who went on to harm one American anywhere. It would be SOLYNDRA!!!!! x infinity. Fox would run the story 24/7 for months.

Let's talk about jobs Mr. President. But if you actually try todo anything and make one mistake, especially if it's an area we hate with a passion like green energy, we will celebrate like there's no tomorrow. Proving once again the republicans' only captivating platform is random Obama grievances.
was it a mistake? looks like he bailed out a big campaign donor with Gov't funds.
09-13-2011 , 12:26 PM
Good to see you've done an in depth analysis of the Solyndra books and have made the determination that it was out and out fraud.

Now just follow the money. It was all a 100% swindle from the start. Run with that. Let it occupy your every waking thought. Create a super-amateurish website as a decoy. Then report back to me only when you have something.

Stay on the move. Trust no one. I will be in touch...
09-13-2011 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulman
I'm assuming you'd be willing to bet that unemployment will rocket to 13-15% within a relatively short period of time after this passes. Please state the conditions and odds under which you'll never put your money where your mouth is.

Temporarily cutting payroll taxes AND then raising personal income taxes on those over 250k (i.e. small bus owners) is kind of oxymoronic isnt it?

Theyre not hiring now because of uncertainty, so what happens when these temporary payroll taxes go away? They're left with a personal tax increase because they make more than 250k (oh..and also other deductions that this idiot pres wants to do away with).

Yes...this idiotic proposal (which took him 3 years to come up with) will certainly lead to job creation. Lets cut their payroll taxes and raise their personal inc taxes....awesome plan.

Oh and btw.....we all know that the real unemployment rate is already at at least 13-15% (some have stated higher)...but Ill just stick with the 9.2% going to 13% or 15% if this idiot has his way.

Oh and btw II...extending the Bush tax cuts on the business ownwers (i.e. the "wealthy") last year did wonders for the economy, didnt it? You know why it was a fail? BECAUSE IT WAS TEMPORARY. 2 years isnt going to cut it, it needed to be permanent. Years and years from now...this dickhead will go down as the biggest idiot president we've ever had. Him being president is akin to me trying to build an airplane tomorrow. No clue.

edit...the word idiot is used 5x in some form here..holla
09-13-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Good to see you've done an in depth analysis of the Solyndra books and have made the determination that it was out and out fraud.

Now just follow the money. It was all a 100% swindle from the start. Run with that. Let it occupy your every waking thought. Create a super-amateurish website as a decoy. Then report back to me only when you have something.

Stay on the move. Trust no one. I will be in touch...
I think the biggest problem with Solyndra is the fact that they were connected to the White House. How come Solyndra gets to send Execs to the WH to basically lobby for $500 Million dollars? What makes them so special?

If you gave me $500 Million dollars, I bet I could start a solar cell company and sell even more. That's a lot of ****ing money!
09-13-2011 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
I think the biggest problem with Solyndra is the fact that they were connected to the White House. How come Solyndra gets to send Execs to the WH to basically lobby for $500 Million dollars? What makes them so special?

If you gave me $500 Million dollars, I bet I could start a solar cell company and sell even more. That's a lot of ****ing money!
Because green energy is not cost effective and needs taxpayer money to be feesible

      
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