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10-22-2008 , 04:27 PM

#401

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Pre-election Post Mortem on the McCain Campaign in the Times

Some really good stuff in here....

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In the ensuing two and a half weeks (which surely felt longer to the Obama campaign), the Palin Effect was manifest and profound. McCain seemed, if not suddenly younger — after all, the woman standing to his side was nearly the same age as his daughter, Sidney — then freshly boisterous as he crowed, “Change is coming, my friends!” Meanwhile, Palin’s gushing references to McCain as “the one great man in this race” and “exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief” seemed to confer not only valor but virility on a 72-year-old politician who only weeks ago barely registered with the party faithful.

But just as you could make too much of Shanks’s quiet coaching of Palin, you could also make too little of it. The new narrative — the Team of Mavericks coming to lay waste the Beltway power alleys — now depended on a fairly inexperienced Alaska politician. The following night, after McCain’s speech brought the convention to a close, one of the campaign’s senior advisers stayed up late at the Hilton bar savoring the triumphant narrative arc. I asked him a rather basic question: “Leaving aside her actual experience, do you know how informed Governor Palin is about the issues of the day?”

The senior adviser thought for a moment. Then he looked up from his beer. “No,” he said quietly. “I don’t know.”

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The worry among his aides had long been that McCain would let his indignation show. Going into the debates, an adviser expressed that very concern to me: “If he keeps the debates on substance, he’s very good. If it moves to the personal, then I think it’s a disaster.” Accordingly, Salter advised McCain before the first debate to maintain, one person privy to the sessions put it, “a very generous patience with Obama — in terms of, ‘I’m sure if he understood. . . .’ ”

“The object wasn’t to appear condescending at all — really, the opposite,” an adviser said of Salter’s tactic, which judging by the postdebate polls seemed to backfire. “You put a bullet in a gun, figuring it’ll get shot once. We had no idea it would be shot 10 times.”

10-22-2008 , 04:34 PM

#402

Jcrew

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Markets pricing in an Obama win.

10-22-2008 , 04:34 PM

#403

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CNN/Time

NC
Obama +4

VA
Obama +10

NV
Obama +5

WV
McCain +9

Research 2000

WI
Obama +11

10-22-2008 , 04:47 PM

#404

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Originally Posted by gobbomom

a, b, and d

I'd be very surprised if McCain and Palin have spent a half hour talking together- the same amount of time he used to vet her via phone call.

According to an article in this week's The New Yorker McCain, before making his decision to consider Palin, had met her once, a fifteen minute conversation. He met her for the second time on August 28, the day before he announced she'd be on the ticket. He had spent less than three hours in her company at that point.

Charles Black, Jr., McCain's chief campaign adviser told McCain, "If you pick anyone else, you're going to lose. But it you pick Palin you may win."

10-22-2008 , 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ligastar

I wanted to relay a quick story from today:

I live in Dekalb County (GA) which is the most Democratic county in the state. Kerry got the highest % of vote in the 2004 election in Dekalb County. I just went to the county election supervisor's building to vote early. The officials told me the line was 2 and 1/2 hours long. Now granted, I can't say if this time last election it was the same deal but I highly doubt it.

I'm not saying Obama takes Georgia or anything like that; however, it was something seeing a line of this length 13 days out from election day.

I hear multiple stories about states with huge lines to vote and I wonder if it is that the turnout is that high or they have less places to vote. Granted the people are still waiting in line.

I know here in Las Vegas I have early voted twice and there was always no wait and plenty of open machines. There was also about 3 places for me to vote within a 5 mile radius.l

10-22-2008 , 05:02 PM

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So I know that I've posted multiple times in this forum that I'm not voting in this election, due to the sheer improbability of my lone vote mattering. Well, that all changed yesterday. I was offered a 12-pack of beer to vote, and I'm taking it. Apparently, I will be voting for Obama.

10-22-2008 , 05:03 PM

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Wow sweet justice, Matthews reporting on Hardball that the RNCC has pulled its ad buys for Michelle Bachmann. This election is convincing me that there may in fact be a god.

10-22-2008 , 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Eagle

Wow sweet justice, Matthews reporting on Hardball that the RNCC has pulled its ad buys for Michelle Bachmann. This election is convincing me that there may in fact be a god.

10-22-2008 , 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cpitt398

We're lazy here in Vegas amirite?

10-22-2008 , 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by findingneema

With a little work, we could probably get this post Headlined on Drudge:

"Degenerates Being Paid in Beer to Vote for Obama... Developing..."

10-22-2008 , 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Eagle

Wow sweet justice, Matthews reporting on Hardball that the RNCC has pulled its ad buys for Michelle Bachmann. This election is convincing me that there may in fact be a god.

I've never seen Nancy Puffenhefferhaur so exasperated. Matthews is pretty awesome sometimes despite the preaching.

10-22-2008 , 05:17 PM

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From Newsmax:

Dan Rather, speaking today on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” cable program, told host Joe Scarborough that if Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin had said such a thing about her running mate John McCain, it would be “the top story in every major American paper and on every network.”

Rather says the Obama campaign “can’t be happy” about Biden’s comments and is surprised there haven’t been more political ramifications to Biden’s gaffe.

Rather sees media bias -- irony anyone?

*For those of you who missed it, Biden mentioned how an international crisis should be expected early in the Obama presidency since our enemies will want to test him.

10-22-2008 , 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cpitt398

I hear multiple stories about states with huge lines to vote and I wonder if it is that the turnout is that high or they have less places to vote. Granted the people are still waiting in line.

I know here in Las Vegas I have early voted twice and there was always no wait and plenty of open machines. There was also about 3 places for me to vote within a 5 mile radius.l

OMG voter fraud!!! Do you work for ACORN?

10-22-2008 , 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BurnThis

From Newsmax:

LOL

10-22-2008 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BurnThis

It doesn't matter who is elected. The terrorists will want to test the new president. Nothing to see here people ... move along.

10-22-2008 , 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Poofler

I've never seen Nancy Puffenhefferhaur so exasperated. Matthews is pretty awesome sometimes despite the preaching.

I loved the split screen with Bill Burton just smiling as Pfotenhauer was twisting in the wind.

Matthews has been by far the best anti-spinner this cycle, not sure why the McCain campaign keeps sending cannon fodder his way.

Matthews: Let's watch this clip of Sarah Palin again. By the way, I love the red leather jacket, it's what's underneath it that's the problem.

10-22-2008 , 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BurnThis

Clearly I'm biased and maybe it's clouding my view of this, but:

The Dow lost 500 points today. No one is listening to what Joe Biden says. No one is really listening to any of this campaign stuff. To reiterate the current climate:

- America's 401ks lost back the 5% they made last week
- Joe Biden talked

Which of these two things do you think is paramount on the minds of people right now?

I'm obviously following this campaign and the daily back and forth and the campaign posturing and the constant campaign news drone, but in my personal memo to Dan Rather as to why there haven't been any political ramifications to something Joe Biden said, it would probably just have this image and nothing more:

10-22-2008 , 05:39 PM

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Bill Bennett's two reasons why McCain has a good shot in PA:

1. Ed Rendell is "worried"
2. HRC beat Obama in the primaries

10-22-2008 , 05:41 PM

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personally i had an awesome summer back in '03 so this brings back fond memories

10-22-2008 , 05:44 PM

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ABC/Post Poll:

Obama 54
McCain 43

(was 53-44 yesterday)

10-22-2008 , 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by istewart

Bill Bennett's two reasons why McCain has a good shot in PA:

1. Ed Rendell is "worried"
2. HRC beat Obama in the primaries

Well, it's not like they can cite an actual public poll, so it's pretty much "lets call this race close based on the fact McCain says it is".

I don't think Obama's going to win by 12 points either, and I doubt McCain's final total will be the ~40 it is in the PA tracking poll and other recent PA polls, but there's a whole lot of distance between "PA is a lot closer than the public polls indicate" and "John McCain is very competitive in PA". Whether this is wishcasting by media types and the right hoping for a close race and an exciting finish, or just blatant disingenuousness, I don't know. But Nate breaks down McCain's daunting task, without even looking at the polls (RCP PA Avg is Obama +11):

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4,060,647
2,917,747
869,707

Those are the current numbers of registered and active Democrats, Republicans and independents in Pennsylvania. Democrats make up more than half the total -- 52 percent, in fact -- well outdistancing the Republican's 33 percent. Suppose that McCain were to split Pennsylvania's independents with Obama and win Republicans 92-8. He would need to carry 23-24 percent of Pennsylvania's Democrats to win the state; George Bush carried 15 percent.

10-22-2008 , 06:09 PM

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Corner radicals are sad:

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Nobody really wants to talk about foreign poicy, or about Obama's friends. Those two subjects are pretty much off-limits, for various reasons.

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As for Obama's friends, I share Andy's alarm. I have nothing against hanging out with Marxist radicals. Some of my best friends are still Marxist radicals. I learn from them, even though I don't agree with them very often. But what's alarming about Obama is that he seems to have predominantly radical friends. No doubt he has some conservative friends, too. Maybe he's even steered some money their way. But I haven't heard of any. Have you?

El oh LOL

Hmm... I can only wonder why you don't hear more about Obama's conservative friends...

Between Hyde Park, Columbia, Harvard, University of Chicago, the State Senate, the U.S. Senate, and two years running for POTUS... it is clearly correct to assess that Rezko, Pfleger, Wright, and Ayers make up the majority of his associations.

10-22-2008 , 06:12 PM

#423

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Originally Posted by istewart

Hmm... I can only wonder why you don't hear more about Obama's conservative friends...

The Corner's always good for a ROFL or two these days. I'm loving the dichotomy they set up between "conservative" and "radical" in that post.

10-22-2008 , 06:15 PM

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Oh, if we're ****ting on the Corner, here's some A+ Corner craziness:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Q2ZDVjODJkZDc=

Summary: Obama is a crazy radical. John McCain is too big of a pussy to call Obama a crazed radical. Hillary Clinton was the best bet to tell America Obama was a radical, but actually she's a radical too so she couldn't betray one of her own. And the media can't because they're all radical allies together.

Bonus material: some guy Obama knows founded the Communist Party.

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FWIW, I believe that the issue of Obama's personal radicalism, including his collaboration with radical, America-hating Leftists, should have been disqualifying. McCain has not exploited it well, to say the least, but even if he had been more adept, the mainstream media's all but formally declared campaign for Obama would have made it tough to get traction. There's enough of a goldmine there that a better candidate, less worried about criticism from elites who are in the tank for Obama anyway, could have made it sing. But McCain is McCain.

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As I've argued before, the candidate who should have been able to make hay was Hillary Clinton. Though a longtime Leftist, she sought to reconstruct herself (and the Clinton legacy) as centrist New Democrat. Among the candidates, she alone had enough influential Democrats in her corner that she might have been able to face down the party's hard-Left activists, who are so consequential in choosing the nominee and who would have been outraged by an attack on Obama's radicalism.

But ultimately, Hillary couldn't pull it off, precisely because she is a longtime Leftist. As a young law student and lawyer, she was a radical herself .

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Contrary to the studious remaking of their image, the Clintons could never put any real daylight between themselves and Obama when it came to radicalism. They are part of the media-Democrat establishment that for years admired, collaborated with, and cleaned up the image of the Sixties renegades — so they could spread their revolution in ways that were less patent than their prior methods, though more destructive.

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On the website of the Small Schools Workshop — the Klonsky/Ayers venture into which Obama helped pour nearly $2M in funding — there are bios of some of the key players. Klonsky's is here. Although he mentions neither his SDS days with Ayers nor his founding of the Communist Party (Marxist Leninist)

Can't believe this Klonsky guy didn't mention his founding of the Communist Party. Needless to say, the biased MSM Leftist radicals won't either because they're so far in the tank for their fellow radical Obama.

10-22-2008 , 06:22 PM

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It seems quite befitting to the Corner that they have the worst URLs of any online media or blog that I've ever seen.

It is quite great, Dvaut, that his name is Andy McCarthy.

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