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10-24-2008 , 11:51 AM
So a 3% marginal tax increase only on those annual profits over and above $250k/year wipes out small four figure bonus for Joe Book Packer?

Call Seth and Amy, we need a new segment of "Really?"

Overbetting the bot often represents a weak hand, just sayin'.
10-24-2008 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by canis582
The nation has a huge deficit and a military that is hemorrhaging money ($2.3 trillion) but you are concerned with bonuses?



LOL level??? your going to get more debt and more hemoraging
10-24-2008 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerbobo
It astounds me the number of people that believe the 250K number..... by the time budget time rolls around, that number will be in the 60-80k range.

Get ready to grab your ankles Joe Average American.
QFLDO
10-24-2008 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NeBlis
QFLDO
Well that makes two people, so I guess it's confirmed. Don't bother backing it up with anything. Thanks for the enlightenment.
10-24-2008 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Mason could probably have about 10 more employees and bonuses in the form of gold plated hookers if they had any idea how to properly monetize this site or their product. I realize this isn't realy relevant to the thread, but it's amusing to see Mason crying poverty in the form of "I make too much and get taxed too much" when I think you can argue that 2p2 has made a few million dollar mistakes and totally FUBARed up the poker boom for themselves.
Dammit Dids, my question to Mason was step 1 and then a long response like this with similar links (plus pokerhand, WTF HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE A HAND CONVERTER FOR LIKE 3 YEARS) was step 2.

You're good Dids. You're good.
10-24-2008 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
Well that makes two people, so I guess it's confirmed. Don't bother backing it up with anything. Thanks for the enlightenment.
You're forgetting how things work around here. If we're talking about a Democrat, we can make all kinds of crazy assumptions that fit neatly into our political narrative. For example, we can claim that Obama will raise taxes on everyone, despite the fact that it would be political suicide for him to do so.

If we're talking about a Republican, then unless you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt, shut your liberal America-hating pie hole. For example, you can't prove that Bush didn't really believe that Iraq had WMD, so we certainly can't hold the whole Iraq fiasco against him.
10-24-2008 , 12:21 PM
To be fair- we argued against a hand converter housed by 2p2 in the mod forum for a while, simply because they require such frequent updating that given their level of staffing it would be broken often enough as to make 2p2 look like goons. Something like what they've got now is by far the best solution- as the incentive to make it work is on somebody else's head. (now the question is why didn't they explore these kinds of partnerships, or dedicate resources to these kinds of things in 2004)
10-24-2008 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
Greener environment, better access to health care, less war, better judges...
Since you didn't like my last answer.

Greener Environment- Although I don't agree, let's assume Obama will make the earth "greener".... it would be at the expense of a decent energy policy, and depending on radical left he gets, could have a negative net impact on standard of living.

Better access to health care- The more involved the government gets, the worse things get, both in cost and level of service. I think you are dreaming on this one.

Less War- Isn't he in favor of moving the troops from Iraq to Afghanistan? I think this may net out to be equal. Biden just said Obama will be "tested" early in his term... if his VP says things like this.... kinda makes me think more war is possibly coming. (i hope not though)

better judges- niether party has a monopoly on good or bad judges. Even dems have been outspoken on some of the goofy decisions out of the 9th circuit..... which is the most liberal court in America in many people's opinion.

McCain would not be a good president, Obama will be worse in my opinion.

The holy trinity of socialism of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi is a scary thought.
10-24-2008 , 12:37 PM
I searched on the Obama website and for a while on google and I cannot find an exact breakdown of his proposed income tax rate schedule. Does anyone have it?

No, I don't mean his silly calculator or the summaries of the tax plan which show you how much you'll save, I mean the exact tax rate schedule he proposes.
10-24-2008 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbobo
Since you didn't like my last answer.

Greener Environment- Although I don't agree, let's assume Obama will make the earth "greener".... it would be at the expense of a decent energy policy, and depending on radical left he gets, could have a negative net impact on standard of living.

Better access to health care- The more involved the government gets, the worse things get, both in cost and level of service. I think you are dreaming on this one.

Less War- Isn't he in favor of moving the troops from Iraq to Afghanistan? I think this may net out to be equal. Biden just said Obama will be "tested" early in his term... if his VP says things like this.... kinda makes me think more war is possibly coming. (i hope not though)

better judges- niether party has a monopoly on good or bad judges. Even dems have been outspoken on some of the goofy decisions out of the 9th circuit..... which is the most liberal court in America in many people's opinion.

McCain would not be a good president, Obama will be worse in my opinion.

The holy trinity of socialism of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi is a scary thought.
I don't know if I'm allowed to respond because my last one got deleted, but I'll say this: your response here is much better than your last one. However, you are doing nothing more than expressing your opinion, similar to the way I expressed mine; there is nothing proven here. That's fine, but it certainly doesn't prove that Obama is promising free ponies or that I think he is. I think his policies will be better for the country than McCain's; you don't. Cool. I'm happy that more people seem to agree with me this time around. We'll see.
10-24-2008 , 12:49 PM
Mason let's be honest here: you have luckboxed big time in life. That's not to say you aren't very smart, or that you haven't made some good decisions along the way, but come on. Chris Moneymaker winning the WSOP made you 100x more money than you will ever "lose" from Obama's tax plan. So instead of complaining about a very small tax increase and using it as an excuse to shaft your existing employees and not hire new ones (that could generate growth), take a moment to appreciate what you have.

Also, UIEGA has cost you 1280392389283423 times more than Obama's tax plan ever will. 2+2 was late to the game and failed to appropriately lobby on the issue. So if you're worried about lost money, look in the mirror.
10-24-2008 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
but I'll say this: your response here is much better than your last one.
But not nearly as fun to write. You liberals really need to learn to laugh.
10-24-2008 , 01:08 PM
This is pathetic and sad.
You're really going to change your business around because marginal tax rates went up 3%?


If so, do you really expect us to care?
10-24-2008 , 01:12 PM
[QUOTE=BigPoppa;6771038]This is pathetic and sad.
You're really going to change your business around because marginal tax rates went up 3%?
QUOTE]

You're right! What kind of business takes increases in expenses into account in their business plan?!
10-24-2008 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:

At Two Plus Two Publishing LLC we have three full time employees. This includes our book packer, our order scheduler, and our general manager. The past four years, we have given each of these people an end of year bonus. If Obama's tax plan gets implemented, the end of year bonuses would most likely be history.

In addition, we are known to pay some of the highest royalty rates in our industry. Future authors will see lower royalty rates and it's even possible that a couple of books will require a renegotiate of the contract with the author(s) or they won't be worth reprinting.

Two Plus Two Interactive works a little differently, but we have been thinking about adding a full time in house employee here as well, Again, if Obama's tax plan is implemented, this new employee will be history.

This is what happens when you spread the wealth. It will definitely hurt our companies.

Best wishes,
Mason
So you've been "thinking" about adding a new employee. Then you talk about that new employee as if he's already in the final interview stage, but won't be able to start working there if Obama is elected.

Nice spin, you should work for Fox News or something.

Nobody cares about this pathetic attempt at a sob story.

OBAMA 08

GET OUT AND VOTE!!!
10-24-2008 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Mason let's be honest here: you have luckboxed big time in life. That's not to say you aren't very smart, or that you haven't made some good decisions along the way, but come on. Chris Moneymaker winning the WSOP made you 100x more money than you will ever "lose" from Obama's tax plan. So instead of complaining about a very small tax increase and using it as an excuse to shaft your existing employees and not hire new ones (that could generate growth), take a moment to appreciate what you have.

Also, UIEGA has cost you 1280392389283423 times more than Obama's tax plan ever will. 2+2 was late to the game and failed to appropriately lobby on the issue. So if you're worried about lost money, look in the mirror.
excellent point
he was lucky so let people steal from him
outstanding
10-24-2008 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
This is pathetic and sad.
no, it's insulting. If Mason had taken any time in the last 6 months or so to engage his own forum on this issue he might've made inroads towards some sympathy vote, which it sounds like he's trying to garner in this post.
10-24-2008 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Also, UIEGA has cost you 1280392389283423 times more than Obama's tax plan ever will. 2+2 was late to the game and failed to appropriately lobby on the issue. So if you're worried about lost money, look in the mirror.
Kinda like making you first post about a Presidential candidate 11 days before the election?
10-24-2008 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
So you've been "thinking" about adding a new employee. Then you talk about that new employee as if he's already in the final interview stage, but won't be able to start working there if Obama is elected.

Nice spin, you should work for Fox News or something.

Nobody cares about this pathetic attempt at a sob story.

OBAMA 08

GET OUT AND VOTE
!!!
And you should work for every other major news network.
10-24-2008 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
This is pathetic and sad.
You're really going to change your business around because marginal tax rates went up 3%?


If so, do you really expect us to care?
Lets see, this is going to hinder their profits. So they change their business model appropriately to address these changes. Sounds right to me.

You dont get why you should care? You dont think other companies are going to respond to tax increases the same way?
10-24-2008 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ElliotR
Dear Mason,

I am sorry to hear of this -- I would have hoped that 2+2 was successful and well-managed enough that it could position itself for the increased economic activity brought about by Obama's tax cuts to those earning less than 250k/year.

Fortunately, there are many of us who make more that 250k/yr that accept the need to pay a little more and understand that it will be well worth it in the long run.

Best regards,
Elliot Richardson
You are more than welcome to pay the treasury even more if you believe this to be true. If it's such a good cause, why aren't you?
10-24-2008 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by shipit2herbert
And you should work for every other major news network.
Because I said that I want Obama to win and suggested people should get out and vote, I should work for a major news network?

I'm not coming here and making a NEW POST about how Sally in Texas won't be able to make ends meet and will continue to fall deeper into debt if McCain is elected. Mason is simply posting his own version of the laughable joe the plumber bull**** story.

Mason's post belongs in the election chatter thread. If anyone else posted this it wouldn't stay up for more than 15 minutes. (I realize he can do what he wants, but this post is still garbage)
10-24-2008 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
Because I said that I want Obama to win and suggested people should get out and vote, I should work for a major news network?

I'm not coming here and making a NEW POST about how Sally in Texas won't be able to make ends meet and will continue to fall deeper into debt if McCain is elected. Mason is simply posting his own version of the laughable joe the plumber bull**** story.

Mason's post belongs in the election chatter thread. If anyone else posted this it wouldn't stay up for more than 15 minutes. (I realize he can do what he wants, but this post is still garbage)
Seriously? The owner of a business with employees explains how his company will have to make pay cuts and even have less employees under Obama's tax plan and you try to dismiss it as a "sob" story? You dont understand how what hes saying has wide implications and will affect alot more people than just him?

Also, if you created a post that explained how your life and the lives of many others would be affected under a certain political plan, it seems like that would make a good topic for discussion.
10-24-2008 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye18
Lets see, this is going to hinder their profits. So they change their business model appropriately to address these changes. Sounds right to me.

You dont get why you should care? You dont think other companies are going to respond to tax increases the same way?

"Appropriately"?


This seems more like either a massive overreaction to a likely small increase in marginal tax rates or an outright lie intended to garner sympathy.
10-24-2008 , 02:19 PM
I'd be interested to hear Mason's employees reaction to this statement.

      
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