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11-03-2017 , 11:59 AM
Only posting this article about how Anahaim feels like it's getting a raw deal from Disney from their theme park because Disney blacked out the LA Times from any advance reviews of their products because the LA Times printed it

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-f...anaheim-deals/

11-03-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
My philosophical objection to aid in kind is that, assuming the thing you're providing can be bought on the open market, providing it in kind seems to imply: (a) you know for sure that the aid recipient's decision to buy something else with cash aid is wrong, and (b) you can't or won't convince them of that. I think (a) is false a lot more often than people believe, and (b) shows a disturbing lack of faith in the judgment of aid recipients.

I'm a bit of a hypocrite here in that I support Against Malaria Foundation (which provides anti-mosquito bed netting) in addition to GiveDirectly (which provides cash money), but I rationalize it on the basis that my wife likes it and there's probably crazy economies of scale in bed netting. I'm not comfortable with it though.
I'm sympathetic to this pov philosophically. It's about respect and dignity and (a) is certainly right about most people. But the number one cause of death for people under something like 50 in the US is opiate overdose. Handing out money will not prevent homelessness or malnutrition and even a small percentage of our population is a lot of people. I think respecting people's abilities to make their decisions has a big place in the world, but so does taking a deeper interest in our fellow humans, mutual aid, and destigmatizing interdependence.

Taken to it's extreme the pov you express is just ACism with a check. Healthcare and education certainly fall in the realm of things people could just pay for with their UBI.
11-03-2017 , 12:55 PM
Blizzcon starting in 1 hr pplz, im ready with my virtual ticket. Best event of the year.
11-03-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
No prison time for Bergdahl. Pepper thy twitters
LOL



11-03-2017 , 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet
Bob, I don't think the best solution is either all one-way or all the other. And I think some of the impetus for people who only want to give money is kind of an anti government fear of letting the government do anything. It seems to always be Libertarians who are into this more than humanists. That's fine, but I think maybe people should be more upfront about that. And maybe conservative more than libertarian at least sometimes. I feel like there's some element that wants to be able to say two people who still fail "look you got your $30,000 Ubi if you need something else tough."
I agree there is a political alignment to how people feel about this issue, but I think it has more to do with what you think people need, rather than a fear of Big Government incubating a school lunch-industrial complex. If you think people mostly need the opportunity and resources to make their own decisions and it will mostly work out, that favors giving them money and is sort of libertarian-inflected. If you think the poor need the wise guidance of the state and protection from the brutality of the market economy, that favors aid in kind and paternalistic liberalism. If you think poor people need to be scared straight, that favors heavily restricted aid in kind and conservatism.
11-03-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Why would toilet paper not be okay?
You cannot currently buy toilet paper with food stamps.
11-03-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
I don't think you can trust anyone with cash handouts but so what? If you blow your cash handout on heroin then I guess you don't get to eat.



I assume you can't buy KFC either? I assume the distinction is you cannot buy "prepared food" or something along those lines, and the hot chicken probably counts as that. The fast food industry has been lobbying really hard to expand that. I know my local Jack in the Box says they accept EBT.

EDIT: Whoops I misread your post. Yeah, I agree.
You can't buy prepared foods with food stamps. Although I think in some cases disabled poors can.

Some of you think there's some edict handed down by god that says what's food and what's not and we'd be introducing a massive administrative burden to the state to try to tweak the "what is food" list. The list administration is already in place.
11-03-2017 , 04:12 PM
This is the kind of bureaucratic nonsense I'm talking about. Toilet paper is a necessity. They should be able to buy that. What's wrong with prepared meals? Some doofus bureaucrat who's never been in poverty and thinks poors have plenty of time to cook from scratch every day is making silly rules. Just give them a lump sum and let them blow on whatever they think they need.
11-03-2017 , 04:15 PM
Stay woke with this $375 jacket



Not sure what my favorite part is:

RELOVEUTION
"a military inspired jacket"
dry clean only
11-03-2017 , 04:21 PM
Didn't Ron Paul trademark the RELOVEUTION catchphrase?
11-03-2017 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Didn't Ron Paul trademark the RELOVEUTION catchphrase?
Maybe his lawyers are asleep on the job.

Some poor angsty teen with dumbass, way too rich parents is going to get this thing for Christmas when he would have been perfectly happy with a used $10 jacket without a bunch of **** already pre-written on it from the local Army Navy store to scrawl his own random grabag of political catchphrases onto. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ME AT ALL MOM
11-03-2017 , 04:26 PM
To be fair, wearing military-style jackets ironically has been a counter culture fashion staple since the 60's. John Lenon did it all the time.
11-03-2017 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
This is the kind of bureaucratic nonsense I'm talking about. Toilet paper is a necessity. They should be able to buy that. What's wrong with prepared meals? Some doofus bureaucrat who's never been in poverty and thinks poors have plenty of time to cook from scratch every day is making silly rules. Just give them a lump sum and let them blow on whatever they think they need.
Sure. But if you're gonna have the bureaucratic nonsense (which I think we can assume will be around for a while in this climate - unless they just kill food stamps entirely) - then I would rather see certain items added, and certain items removed. Glad we agree!
11-03-2017 , 04:34 PM
Anarcho-Capitalist is running for Arizona Senate

He also does the revenge porn.
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Under his “Great America Wins!” campaign tagline, Brittain claims he’ll do more to advance President Donald Trump’s agenda than Kelli Ward, the GOP’s current frontrunner to replace Flake.
Great America Wins!
11-03-2017 , 04:35 PM
ACist promising to advance Trump's agenda sounds about right.
11-03-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Read the previous thread on this guys. Once you start arguing about the minutiae of what should and shouldn't be allowed on the SNAP program, the conservatives already won.
Nailed it.
11-03-2017 , 04:53 PM
Right - we should never argue that a government program could be made better with tweaks. Just that it should be abolished for politically untenable (currently) untried ideas like UBI. Got it.

Evolution of the pro-Red Bull crowd itt:

1) We should have UBI, but other than that stop shaming the poors with requirements on what they can buy.

2) Oh what - you can't buy toiler paper or hot chicken? That sucks.

3) Can't talk about details - must have UBI now!
11-03-2017 , 05:02 PM
I just want the guy making my Subway to have access to toilet paper at home.
11-03-2017 , 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
This is the kind of bureaucratic nonsense I'm talking about. Toilet paper is a necessity. They should be able to buy that. What's wrong with prepared meals? Some doofus bureaucrat who's never been in poverty and thinks poors have plenty of time to cook from scratch every day is making silly rules. Just give them a lump sum and let them blow on whatever they think they need.
In addition, many poor people live in places considered "food deserts," which are neighborhoods without easy access to supermarkets or other stores with fresh fruits and vegetables. For many of these people, the healthiest meal they can buy locally might be a prepared meal.

http://americannutritionassociation....s-food-deserts
11-03-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
LOL
Man there's a lot of stupidity in the comments section of that tweet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
To be fair, wearing military-style jackets ironically has been a counter culture fashion staple since the 60's. John Lenon did it all the time.
It's a cool look. Not one I would pay $375 for though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DVaut1
ACist promising to advance Trump's agenda sounds about right.
Most Trump supporters I know dislike the GOP because they aren't furthering Trump's agenda. They consider them the enemy and really want to vote them out for ones that'll do Trump's bidding no questions asked.
11-03-2017 , 05:33 PM
welp a plane landed on the interstate right by my exit, should be a fun commute home tonight
11-03-2017 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I remember when Reagan gave my grandparents a 5lb block of cheese.
I had a 5 (or maybe 10?) lb. block of yellow American cheese in my fridge in the mid-80's. My roommate scored it somehow; I had no clue how to get any government benefits.
11-03-2017 , 05:57 PM
Food desert? Just get Amazon Fresh. Kidding, but we ain't going down the food desert road again.

BTW, the US has spent like $250m/day on the military for like 15 years straight. I'm ok with not uncovering every potential abuse of food stamps.
11-03-2017 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Loden Pants
I had a 5 (or maybe 10?) lb. block of yellow American cheese in my fridge in the mid-80's. My roommate scored it somehow; I had no clue how to get any government benefits.
5-pounds, confirmed by 80s punk lyrics.


Soup lines
Free loaves of bread
Five-pound blocks of cheese
Bags of groceries
Social security
Has run out on you and me
We do whatever we can
Gotta duck when the **** hits the fan
11-03-2017 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loden Pants
I had a 5 (or maybe 10?) lb. block of yellow American cheese in my fridge in the mid-80's. My roommate scored it somehow; I had no clue how to get any government benefits.
Same here as my Mom took in the only homeless person in Blue Springs, MO. So we got the govt cheese. Wasn't bad.

      
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