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05-24-2016 , 07:53 PM

#501

vhawk01

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Originally Posted by Paul D

lol, are you really calling carpooling a black market?

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Albeit stranger carpooling is weird

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Originally Posted by Paul D

I suppose if the drivers aren't filing taxes it could be one. But giving people money to be driven around occurs between friends.

What exactly do you think a black market is?

05-24-2016 , 07:55 PM

#502

Paul D

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Something slightly bigger than a few dudes in Austin posting on craigslist. By that definition you can qualify a lot of internet transactions as black market.

05-24-2016 , 07:58 PM

#503

heehaww

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Something slightly bigger than a few dudes in Austin posting on craigslist. By that definition you can qualify a lot of internet transactions as black market.

5 prostitutes in an area post ads on craigslist --> not a market in sex.
1000 prostitutes on CL --> market

What is the minimum number of market participants to meet the definition of "market"?

05-24-2016 , 08:04 PM

#504

Paul D

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Do you call street peddlers markets?

05-24-2016 , 08:06 PM

#505

vhawk01

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Something slightly bigger than a few dudes in Austin posting on craigslist. By that definition you can qualify a lot of internet transactions as black market.

Uhhh what. Do you think we have a black market for drugs? Some random drug dealer in Austin TX probably only has a few dozen customers.

Also that site claimed to currently have 25,000 members

05-24-2016 , 08:07 PM

#506

vhawk01

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Do you call street peddlers markets?

Do you mean guys selling crack on the street corner? Yes in fact I do and when I look up black market in the dictionary it's their picture I see. Also nic cage from lord of war but I think that's just a movie

05-24-2016 , 08:10 PM

#507

Paul D

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I meant dudes selling wrist watches and other assorted ****. Drugs are the market. Lone individuals not so much. Just like Craigslist is the market.

05-24-2016 , 08:11 PM

#508

heehaww

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Do you call street peddlers markets?

They personally aren't markets, but they're part of the market of whatever goods they're selling.

Semantiking isn't as fun as I imagined it would be.

05-24-2016 , 08:16 PM

#509

Paul D

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They personally aren't markets, but they're part of the market of whatever goods they're selling.

Semantiking isn't as fun as I imagined it would be.

Right and I just personally think it is stretching to label any transaction that go unnoticed by regulators as black markets because if you do so then the definition can be applied to just about any and every transaction. Like I sold a graphics card for a small price on CL last year and didn't mark it down on my taxes. Does that make me part of a black market?

05-24-2016 , 08:24 PM

#510

JayTeeMe

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Was the selling illegal or just the cheating on your taxes?

05-24-2016 , 08:41 PM

#511

pvn

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Originally Posted by heehaww

Semantiking isn't as fun as I imagined it would be.

Paul D takes the fun out of everything

05-24-2016 , 09:11 PM

#512

Paul D

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Was the selling illegal or just the cheating on your taxes?

Wouldn't have moved my bracket any which way.

Point wasn't so much about legality, just that individuals do a lot of things that could be considered black market by skirting regulation in our personal lives.

05-24-2016 , 09:14 PM

#513

Trolly McTrollson

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This just seems like one of those spots where the simplistic Econ 101 model of the world really does work. If it weren't for the fact that pvn was so zealously pro-Uber, I don't think anyone here would be on the anti-Uber team.

05-24-2016 , 09:21 PM

#514

zikzak

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I joined the anti-Uber camp after looking into this and discovering that they spent $10 million+ to buy a blatantly dishonest narrative of what happened in Austin as a PR stunt, and they picked a really stupid spot to make a pointless stand. Then they doubled down on the stupid and decided to take their ball and go home. **** 'em. Somebody else can have that market.

05-24-2016 , 09:32 PM

#515

Loki

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

So congrats on the black market you've created. Seems weird to be proud of that after supposedly caring so much about security before

hey you guise, black markets are bad, m'kay?

Like, we need to let doctors self-regulate. That'll fix the black market problem of opioid abuse in America! In fact, why even require doctors to have medical backgrounds for prescription writing purposes? They can just say they know all the relevant facts, should be good enough. We're just creating black markets by requiring certified doctors.

/ikes_logic

05-24-2016 , 09:37 PM

#516

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by zikzak

lyft left too didn't they?

05-24-2016 , 09:38 PM

#517

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

/lowkeylol

05-24-2016 , 09:43 PM

#518

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

lyft left too didn't they?

They did, and I have no idea why. Looked to me like a great spot for them to score a win.

Or you can believe the totally ridiculous narrative all that money bought and pretend like Austin was in any way trying (or going) to harm the ridesharing industry, or drive anybody out of town intentionally to protect Big Taxi or whatever.

05-24-2016 , 09:48 PM

#519

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by zikzak

I suppose you can play semantic games over whether or not it was intentional. But they absolutely, 100%, no doubt, did harm... and it just happened to benefit another corporate interest that provides ****tier service. Congratulations. You outlawed a legal safe service because they used money to correctly argue their point. Everyone is worse off now.

05-24-2016 , 09:51 PM

#520

zikzak

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Um, ridesharing is still perfectly legal in Austin. They have a codified legal framework for it and everything.

05-24-2016 , 09:53 PM

#521

zikzak

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Oh, and Uber themselves helped write the majority of that framework.

05-24-2016 , 09:56 PM

#522

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by zikzak

Um, ridesharing is still perfectly legal in Austin. They have a codified legal framework for it and everything.

they purposely set up barriers to entry that prevented the two main companies from operating in the city. You're completely full of ****.

05-24-2016 , 10:08 PM

#523

zikzak

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An existing regulation that is far easier for a multi-national corporation to comply with than a mid-sized city taxi company is not a barrier to entry.

05-24-2016 , 10:14 PM

#524

Loki

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

they purposely set up barriers to entry that prevented the two main companies from operating in the city.

You're completely full of ****.

Those GIANT HUGE BARRIERS aren't exactly super restrictive.

Like, an extra hundo spent on each employee or something? Are their profit margins so thin they can't afford to do a background search or whatever?