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08-30-2016 , 12:58 PM
This is certainly not a PC statement:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35859791

World number one Novak Djokovic says male tennis players should earn more money than their female counterparts because more people watch them play.

http://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET-P...o-Five-Se.aspx

The equal pay debate has also stirred up conversation on if women should play best three out of five sets at the majors.

Kuznetsova is not in favor of that.

“I don't think it makes sense. You will see us struggle, cramping, squeezing, and yelling, and it's going to look weird. I think three sets is more than good. I think for guys it's okay to play three sets. I don't mind if they play three sets, best of three.

So, I mean, they're physically stronger. This is nature. I cannot be strong as some man. That is normal. It's up to them.”
08-30-2016 , 01:00 PM
Another non-PC statement: If women want equal treatment in sports they should play with men. Are there any non-judged olympic sports where the gold medalist female would make the finals in the men's version of the same event?
08-30-2016 , 01:04 PM
non-PC statement: If American soccer players want to be respected they should play a sport that isn't incredibly boring.
08-30-2016 , 01:05 PM
Pan flute music is terrible.
08-30-2016 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
non-PC statement: If American soccer players want to be respected they should play a sport that isn't incredibly boring.
If Americans want to be respected they should follow some proper sports.
08-30-2016 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Trump supporters aren't experiencing "economic anxiety," they're either flat-out hateful racist pricks (most of them) or they have been conned into an alternate reality universe through years of FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart, and other sources of fake information. They're racists or *******s or morons, but most of them are all three.
Non collage educated people have a harder time reaching the middle class now then the use to. Thats an illusion?
08-30-2016 , 02:07 PM
Soccer is boring and cricket...rugby is ok i guess
08-30-2016 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Non collage educated people have a harder time reaching the middle class now then the use to. Thats an illusion?
That's right, and the Democratic party is the party that wants to make University free or affordable. It's in their platform. So why are all these people that need college education voting against their own best interests?

Spoiler:
they're dicks
08-30-2016 , 02:09 PM
So women should get paid the same despite playing 40% less tennis than men?

I know that I only work 24 hours per week but I feel entitled to get paid like I work 40 hours because I have a vagina.

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08-30-2016 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
So women should get paid the same despite playing 40% less tennis than men?

I know that I only work 24 hours per week but I feel entitled to get paid like I work 40 hours because I have a vagina.

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They already do get paid the same. Tennis grand slams are the only major sport with equal pay. Some men tennis players are coming forward saying that it's not fair that they have to play best of 5 sets in majors.
08-30-2016 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by paperboyNC
They already do get paid the same. Tennis grand slams are the only major sport with equal pay. Some men tennis players are coming forward saying that it's not fair that they have to play best of 5 sets in majors.
I did not know this. Interesting.

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08-30-2016 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
So women should get paid the same despite playing 40% less tennis than men?

I know that I only work 24 hours per week but I feel entitled to get paid like I work 40 hours because I have a vagina.

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If we accept that women are, say, 40% less strong than man, are we not rewarding equal effort if a woman can only play 40% as many games?
08-30-2016 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
So women should get paid the same despite playing 40% less tennis than men?

I know that I only work 24 hours per week but I feel entitled to get paid like I work 40 hours because I have a vagina.

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Tennis players aren't payed based on how much tennis they play. They are payed based on how much $$ they generate.

In theory a "fair" pay scale should reflect this. Whether this would cause discrepancy between wta and atp I have no clue because I don't know how they generate revenue comparably.

Most people who argue for fair pay between male and female athletes (or fair pay in general) completely miss the boat on this point.
08-30-2016 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
If we accept that women are, say, 40% less strong than man, are we not rewarding equal effort if a woman can only play 40% as many games?
Again, this post is completely missing the point. Hoe many games played has nothing to do with hoe much one should be payed, unless of course playing more games = more revenue.
08-30-2016 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben
Tennis players aren't payed based on how much tennis they play. They are payed based on how much $$ they generate.
Where is this rule written in the tennis bylaws, exactly?
08-30-2016 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by paperboyNC
They already do get paid the same. Tennis grand slams are the only major sport with equal pay. Some men tennis players are coming forward saying that it's not fair that they have to play best of 5 sets in majors.
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
I did not know this. Interesting.

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From what I understand this is very recent and was done mainly for PC reasons. It might actually be grossly unfair to do this if men generate signicanrky more $$ than women in grand slams, which I don't know to be the case.

Howver, in our brave new world for good or bad no one really cares if the non protected person is the one being discriminated against
08-30-2016 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Where is this rule written in the tennis bylaws, exactly?
I think you have a very poor understanding of how capitalism and sports entertainment work.

The NBA dumps a whole bunch of $$ into the wnba because it diesnt generate any revenue itself for whatever reason. I'f whoever runs the majors decides to subsidize women's tennis so they make as much as the men that is their business, but I wouldn't tell them that is the way it should be.
08-30-2016 , 02:43 PM
As demonstrated by the voters in the UK, the citizens of French beach towns, the people in the Philipines, or the makers of EPI pen, the majority of humans are unwilling to sacrifice even a little bit of what they think is their self interest for the sake of what is right. If Clinton beats Trump it won't be because most people are empathetic to the needs of others but because plenty of the selfish think Clinton will be better for THEM.
08-30-2016 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben
I think you have a very poor understanding of how capitalism and sports entertainment work.

The NBA dumps a whole bunch of $$ into the wnba because it diesnt generate any revenue itself for whatever reason. I'f whoever runs the majors decides to subsidize women's tennis so they make as much as the men that is their business, but I wouldn't tell them that is the way it should be.
I understand the argument perfectly well. You seem to think that just because you believe it should be one way, that it is. And that's not the case here.
08-30-2016 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben
I think you have a very poor understanding of how capitalism and sports entertainment work.

The NBA dumps a whole bunch of $$ into the wnba because it diesnt generate any revenue itself for whatever reason. I'f whoever runs the majors decides to subsidize women's tennis so they make as much as the men that is their business, but I wouldn't tell them that is the way it should be.
Sounds like you don't understand capitalism too well. The WNBA seems to be marginally profitable. But, how can it possibly be unfair to male BB players if the female players get a raise? No one is making the male BB players play for peanuts in the NBA. Any one of them is free to start their own league. That's capitalism. And if the NBA "caves" into the wishes of the people who watch basketball and pay women more? That's a business decision that they are making based on expected profits, not just "whatever reasons."
08-30-2016 , 03:20 PM
After this election cycle it is pretty obvious that many people who identify themselves as democrats are just as stupid, pig headed and close minded as many people who identity themselves as republicans.

America is full of extremely stupid people who are incapable of logically solving complex issues.
08-30-2016 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Sounds like you don't understand capitalism too well. The WNBA seems to be marginally profitable. But, how can it possibly be unfair to male BB players if the female players get a raise? No one is making the male BB players play for peanuts in the NBA. Any one of them is free to start their own league. That's capitalism. And if the NBA "caves" into the wishes of the people who watch basketball and pay women more? That's a business decision that they are making based on expected profits, not just "whatever reasons."
I doubt the wnba is marginally profitable, although I am sure the accountants do some fuzzy reporting stuff they release to the public to pretend it is.

I am sure whatever books the NBA accountants hand to the IRS show a whole bunch of red for the WNBA part of the business and a whole lot of write offs.

That being said, I am sure the NBA believes it is in their overall best interest to operate this way. I don't pretend to know what those reasons are. The ones you are stating sound good enough.
08-30-2016 , 03:46 PM
Why the **** does this thread exist when we've got a whole forum for this bull****?
08-30-2016 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Why the **** does this thread exist when we've got a whole forum for this bull****?
I'm deeply offended by your non-PC comment
08-30-2016 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Why the **** does this thread exist when we've got a whole forum for this bull****?
Grumpy old man syndrome.

Is that non PC?

      
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