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11-29-2018 , 06:08 PM

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12-05-2018 , 03:30 PM

#77

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LOL NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/o...ush-wasps.html

12-05-2018 , 03:48 PM

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LOL NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/o...ush-wasps.html

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It’s especially funny and sad that Douthat would claim that “we” miss the WASPs, given that he himself is a WASP–a “a semi-desiccated Ivy-educated WASP,” according to his fruitful Twitter account. (His family converted to Catholicism, but as Douthat wrote in a reply, “Not even the sacrament of confirmation can erase hundreds of years of New England ancestors.”) This is a very strange and embarrassing thing to do, to claim that what Americans are missing is More People Like Me. This is like if I had a columnist job at the New York Times and used it to decry the end of British rule in America in 1776, or to argue that Americans are crying out for a president with a La Croix problem. “America Needs Leaders Who Own Tuxedo Cats,” by Libby Watson.

The actual heart of the problem though

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Douthat’s pining for WASP rule is racist, of course: Presenting the era of WASP dominance as some sort of gilded age of benevolent aristocracy marked by empathy and care for the ‘lower’ classes is straight-up insane. It’s helpful of him to demonstrate it so methodically in this op-ed. But the rest of his career up to this point has been doing that work for him, too, from his salivating desire to brag about his proximity to Buckley’s naked paunch in the Atlantic to his 2012 praise for Ann Romney’s (“a quasi-WASP by birth and breeding”) rhetoric of the “noblesse oblige”:

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Instead, it’s an argument for Ann Romney’s husband that could have been made on behalf of the old white Anglo-Saxon ruling class with whose Social Registered members he shares so many qualities. You don’t have to love him, the more effective parts of her speech implied, or relate to him, or even always necessarily agree with him. But you can trust him with the presidency, because he’s suited to public service, and he was born and raised and trained to do this job.

Pining for an era of white rulers with our best interests at heart—who don’t have to do any work to actually prove that they have anyone else’s interests at heart, because “birth and breeding” alone will bestow you with the seal of WASPish benevolence—is racist. What he’s talking about is literally a form of white supremacy, just one that he considers more palatable. It’s helpful, really, for those of us who have been arguing since Trump was elected that his differences with the conservative elite are stylistic and not substantive. This is white supremacy, just in boat shoes.

https://splinternews.com/ross-doutha...=1544032749770

12-05-2018 , 03:54 PM

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NYT editorial board seems intent on catering to the underserved market of WSJ editorial readers

12-05-2018 , 03:57 PM

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Certainly trying to please those who want to cherish their dead Republican presidents.

12-06-2018 , 12:23 AM

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North Carolina Republicans Targeted Voter Fraud. Did They Look at the Wrong Kind?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/u...-absentee.html

12-06-2018 , 09:02 AM

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12-06-2018 , 09:19 AM

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she CHERISHES them

****ing vomit

12-06-2018 , 09:28 AM

#84

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Did they hire an Onion writer to do their headlines? They’re beyond parody

12-06-2018 , 02:32 PM

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No, their headline writers are just typical semi-literate products of the pay to graduate US university system.

12-09-2018 , 07:08 PM

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12-10-2018 , 03:39 AM

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I know it's fun to pile on the NYT, but Trump supporters are not people who are misled by NTY stories or headlines. They are people who barely know the NYT exists and have no understanding of the news ecosystm. They get their news from Fox and AM radio, maybe some facebook for the "technically savvy" Trump fans.

12-10-2018 , 12:28 PM

#88

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ugh how can people still push this garbage? Check out the voting record in 2016 of beverly hills and orange county ffs.

The meme "only idiot racists voted for trump" needs to die. Plenty of older rich well-educated racists voted for him too.

12-10-2018 , 01:18 PM

#89

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Yeah that's a really bad post. Focusing only on Trump supporters also makes no sense. Lots of non-voters who casually come across NYT headlines.

12-10-2018 , 01:39 PM

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Yeah, clearly. But lots of Hillary supporters and, like, Kasich supporters (same thing kinda?) hold up NYT as a bastion of lefty journalism which has the effect of keeping the overton window firmly in "turner diaries fan fiction" territory.

12-13-2018 , 05:04 PM

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https://twitter.com/fluttersnipe/sta...24880391417856

Context of Chait's post if you don't want to click through: he is arguing against New York Magazine becoming unionized. He writes on Facebook:

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One more point. There is a large coterie of activists on twitter that make it a point to swarm any expression of skepticism or caution about journalism unions, however tepid. My heuristic is that causes that require bullying tactics to shut down criticism are often hiding weak arguments.

Does the cause require "bullying tactics", Jonathan, or is your criticism just so ready-made for being shredded?

edit: yvesaint sighting!

https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/1073224081250680833

12-17-2018 , 01:48 PM

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Buckle up, you’re in for quite a ride in this Twitter thread:

12-17-2018 , 02:24 PM

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Splinter News asks him about these columns and notes how little his beliefs have changed since then

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We reached out to Douthat to ask whether he stands behind these sentiments. He responded as follows:

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I reconsider things I wrote last month, let alone twenty years ago. But I’d rather not establish a precedent that writers should repent every time someone in the internet digs up something offensive or stupid they wrote in college. Instead I’ll say that I spent some time at Harvard trying to be a particular kind of right-wing provocateur, and the campus resolutely refused to be provoked. In the absence of any kind of freak-out, I was forced to think harder about the world and work harder on my writing, and I became – or at least I hope I became – a better, more decent, and more interesting grown-up writer than I might otherwise have been. I think there is possibly a lesson here for the age of Twitter.

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Douthat implies in his statement to Splinter that the ideas presented in his Harvard columns were meant to provoke, rather than representing his sincere beliefs. But that defense is hard to reconcile with his recent work: the sentiments Douthat expressed in the Salient can easily be found in his Times columns.

For example, his views on shifting European demographics don’t seem to have changed much since 2000. Douthat may no longer call Africans “barbarians,” but he certainly continues to suggest that Africa’s high birth rate poses a danger to Europe’s way of life. In a column published just two months ago, he wrote:

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An Afrophobia that a decade ago was confined to white-identitarians is likely to become an obsession of Europe’s technocratic center as well as its nationalist parties... anyone who hopes for something other than destabilization and disaster from the Eurafrican encounter should hope for a countervailing trend, in which Europeans themselves begin to have more children.

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His views on feminism have remained steadfastly regressive, too. During the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, Douthat wrote in the Times that the controversy over the judge’s alleged sexual assaults could be blamed on the rise of secularism and sex-positive feminism, which he believes have fostered a lack of morality in American society.

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Ross is also still terrified of feminists seeking justice for rape survivors—he’s decried “rape tribunals” at universities as being the result of young people so overwhelmed by modern sexual freedom that they can’t distinguish between consensual and nonconsensual sex.

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And finally, there’s the gays, on whom Douthat’s views here have remained... you guessed it, steadfastly conservative. As late as 2010, he was arguing against gay marriage. And a year ago, in a piece about the homophobic baker’s Supreme Court case, Douthat wrote that religious conservatives’ fear of gay marriage was warranted, as its legalization instigated “a sweeping legal campaign against the sexual revolution’s dissidents.” He also suggested that the liberal insistence on gay rights was one of the reasons Trump won.

12-17-2018 , 02:36 PM

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It’s ****ing wild that the campus Republican morons who used to run “affirmative action bake sales” are now the intellectual face of the Republican Party.

12-17-2018 , 03:08 PM

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Guarantee you all these feminism/sexual revolution haters like douchat et al have tiny and or ****ed up genitalia

The ones who dont are just sociopaths who get off on controlling people

12-17-2018 , 04:04 PM

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12-17-2018 , 06:57 PM

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By "The New York Times just published an unqualified recommendation" they mean that they asked Alice Walker "What Books are on your nightstand?" and she said "****ty Book X", which is some book by a conspiracy theorist. Looks like Tablet Mag needs some of those sweet clicks.

12-17-2018 , 07:04 PM

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I feel like maybe NYT should find someone who isn't an antisemitic conspiritard to recommend books.

12-19-2018 , 03:40 PM

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Marc A. Thiessen update: "The Mueller probe could turn out to be a disaster...

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But it is also possible that Mueller will not find evidence that Trump conspired with Russia, and that Mueller or federal prosecutors in New York’s Southern District will find evidence for some other charge unrelated to a conspiracy with Russia — such as Trump’s hush-money payments to alleged former mistresses or crimes related to Trump’s family business.

That would be a nightmare scenario for Democrats, for three reasons.

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If Democrats want to give Trump’s approval a similar boost, there is no better way to do it than to impeach him for something unrelated to a criminal conspiracy with Russia.

hahahahahahahahahaha

How does he know this, you ask?

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Just as the Democrats’ campaign to destroy Brett M. Kavanaugh cost them the chance to take back the Senate in 2018

WOOOOOOOOO