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Old 04-20-2014, 11:49 PM   #126
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@SteelHut - Why should I be limited to owning under 20 acres?

Also, What is a homeless person going to do with 1 acre of land in the Nevada desert?
In the economics thread I have been exploring land issues for the last 2 years. The greatest economist to ever walk the earth was Henry George. However, his book gave a false solution. If you look at the wealth gap in the United States, what you are really looking at is rent seekers. Land rent seekers. Most collectivists make the mistake and look at money. Money is not the problem why should anyone care how many bars of aluminum or gold someone owns. If you carefully look at Warren Buffet, he is not some great entrepreneur like Gates or Jobs, all he does is buy more real companies on land.

Henry George showed that once a person reaches critical mass, all they do is just accumulate more and more productive land (oil, solar, water, acreage). Land accumulates into fewer and fewer hands as time goes on. Not by sinister means, but by math. Henry George clearly showed what happened to the common lands of England. He showed the cause of the Irish famine. All his predictions came true in the United States.

Why should you be limited to 20 acres?

Because that is about the amount of maximum land the original settlers owned when they came to the United States. Now you have settler A and settler B, now one settler supports having large families and immigration, the question to ask is why should settler be hurt by the actions of the other settler? If farmers need more land, they can rent land from other people. Since the population of the United States could support 500 million people, land limits might be lowered to 5, 2, or 1 acre. Land near ports and productive land might have lower limits.

What is a homeless person going to do with 1 acre of land in the Nevada desert?

The same thing Romney or McCain have with houses spread across the country. Having one acre is an asset and might put a smile on their face. If some capitalist puts a Walmart within walking distance and high speed internet why would not a bum move to Nevada in the desert. You say what is a bum going to do for work? I say they have the same hands and eyes as you do and there is only a small difference between a bum and Warren Buffett. In fact Jobs was once a bum, as he said he use to go to the Hari Krishna temple to get a free dinner.

I don't believe the BLM lands should be given away just some of the land around this Bundy's ranch.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:09 AM   #127
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will LITERALLY believes it is one law for white people and another law for non-whites. Amazing! The FBI recently killed a brown guy who had a broom handle in a legal shoot but when 100 white guys with military style assault rifles take up positions to fire on federal agents they are totally not a threat. GTFO.
The assassination of a brown American-born citizen by Obama is maybe a more dramatic example of the double standard. In the one case of the 17 year old drone victim, there is a brown person who might, maybe, down the line, pose some sort of threat. In the other you have a coordinated armed threat with guns pointed at Americans in defiance of the law. Obama seems determined to prove he will not move one inch toward equal justice. Maybe's he's even going backward just to make sure no white person, despite what they might say, should actually think he reckons a brown life as valuable as theirs.

There needs to be an emergency screening of "Twelve Years a Slave" at the Whitehouse. Obama has forgotten who the real enemies are, if he ever knew.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:18 AM   #128
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It's pretty much consensus by now that steelhouse is a liberal gimmick right?
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:54 PM   #129
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:41 PM   #130
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Steeldeuces McHousen could be a formidable gimmick, imo.
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:41 PM   #131
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When you put it like this:

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You basically had a bunch of attention whore open carriers getting together in one spot to taunt the police.
I have to vehemently disagree with the bolded.

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This isn't terrorism, and not engaging them is the correct decision.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:04 PM   #132
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I have to vehemently disagree with the bolded.
Why in the sam hill do you think the Feds should engage them
What could possible be gained?

The BLM for some reason over played their hand going in hot with cattle rustlers, armed thuggs and snipers. They physically assalted those who opposed them. Yeah, I know this rancher has lost twice in court and now he owes the feds 1 mirron in fees. I mean really... why not just place a lean on the property???

Contrast that with the 100,000 who celebrated the Corolado pot laws by smoking weed in public. The LAW in Colorado is that smoking in public is Illeagal and carries a fine of one full and one half fun ticket. FEDERAL LAW is that pot is a controlled substance and strickly ILLEagal, yet the feds don't really care about this even though Its the law!!1! Thats 1-1/2 mirron!!!! Fedaral law still states that weed is ILLEGAL!!!1!. Yet, no feds with automatic weapons, snippersor even tazzarz...why?

Doesn't the LAWZ mattarz?
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:16 PM   #133
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A lien on the property doesn't stop him from continuing to send his cattle into the area though.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:23 PM   #134
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A lien on the property doesn't stop him from continuing to send his cattle into the area though.
Yeah, no chit. So? The Reed clain doesn't need the land right now. Do they?

Maybe the feds have other reasons to go HAM at this guy now???
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:29 PM   #135
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I'm not sure that spending 20 years, going through multiple court cases, proposing multiple settlements for less than what he owes, and when nothing else works try rounding up cattle illegally on federal land (after another court case resulting in an injunction against Bundy being able to interfere with the operation) should be considered 'going HAM'.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:02 PM   #136
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I'm not sure that spending 20 years, going through multiple court cases, proposing multiple settlements for less than what he owes, and when nothing else works try rounding up cattle illegally on federal land (after another court case resulting in an injunction against Bundy being able to interfere with the operation) should be considered 'going HAM'.
Snippers, automatic weapons and such against a fricking rancher isn't at all over the top? yeah okay

The Feds have bigger problems to deal with and better ways to handle them. My question is why this now? Surely thier has to be some reason they don't want this family to graize the cattle here after something like 130 years of it going on. Maybe a political distraction??? IDK, it just doesn't seem like a reasonable course of action.
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Anybody care to offer an explanation why "zOMG! Snipers!" is some sort of big deal? It's completely standard in law enforcement, along with body armor and armored vehicles. Welcome to, like, 1985 or something.
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This is an area with a history of bombs being mailed to BLM offices and this guy saying he's going to kill anyone that tries to make him stop illegally using the land. How is not responding in force when you go to do it a bad idea? Like are they just supposed to send the contractors out there to rustle up the cattle with no protection from the crazy guy that's threatening to kill them?
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:33 PM   #139
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The Feds have bigger problems to deal with and better ways to handle them.
Like what? They've tried resolving it in the courts.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:35 PM   #140
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Anybody care to offer an explanation why "zOMG! Snipers!" is some sort of big deal? It's completely standard in law enforcement, along with body armor and armored vehicles. Welcome to, like, 1985 or something.
Seems a bit over the top to collect on an overdue bill. Has this guy been charged with a crime?
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:37 PM   #141
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This is an area with a history of bombs being mailed to BLM offices and this guy saying he's going to kill anyone that tries to make him stop illegally using the land. How is not responding in force when you go to do it a bad idea? Like are they just supposed to send the contractors out there to rustle up the cattle with no protection from the crazy guy that's threatening to kill them?
LOL

Guess they should have done what they normally do... file a claim on the property.

How many snipperz, thuggz and fedz showed up to enforce the Federal LAWZ in Colorado???

Mass flaunting of Federal Authoritiezzzz!!!1!

You are for eaquil justuz under the lawz aren't you?

It couldn't be possible that something else is going on here, could it?
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Why in the sam hill do you think the Feds should engage them
What could possible be gained?
It's not what would be gained, it's who would be removed. And that "who" is some derping, attention whoring open-carriers being removed from the gene pool.
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When they came for the attention whores I said nothing....
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It's not what would be gained, it's who would be removed. And that "who" is some derping, attention whoring open-carriers being removed from the gene pool.
I've read about a guy in Germany that had that kind of thinking. You know improving humanity for the better by "cleaning up the gene pool"

Thanks for sharing!
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The Feds have bigger problems to deal with and better ways to handle them. My question is why this now? Surely thier has to be some reason they don't want this family to graize the cattle here after something like 130 years of it going on. Maybe a political distraction??? IDK, it just doesn't seem like a reasonable course of action.
I know this is radical but just hear me out: maybe there's NOTHING special about this point in time and they just chose an arbitrary date to enforce something that's been lingering in courts for the last 20 years. Maybe there's no giant scheme as to how the government chooses when and where to take action on outstanding problems; they might just have a queue of things to do and just do them when it seems fit. My friend got audited and it turned out she owed the government something like $26; well how did they decide to audit her RIGHT THEN? Not sure where you got "political distraction" from since not a soul would have heard about it outside the ranch-defense community if Sean Hannity hadn't turned this into a right-wing phenomenon on Fox News.

As for Colorado pot laws, the Department of Justice has publicly said they are not going to enforce federal law in Colorado with regards to marijuana, so there goes that hypothesis.
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LOL and but, but its the lawls!!!1!!
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Anybody care to offer an explanation why "zOMG! Snipers!" is some sort of big deal? It's completely standard in law enforcement, along with body armor and armored vehicles. Welcome to, like, 1985 or something.
I thought all the zomg snipers! was focused toward the rebels in response to the people with rifles perched on the highway putting law enforcement in their cross hairs..

But you're saying that THEY are actually saying zomg snipers!?? no, I won't believe it.
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My explanation or guess at one is that they don't like snipers because it takes away from their ability to hide behind their women and children for protection?
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Anybody care to offer an explanation why "zOMG! Snipers!" is some sort of big deal? .
Dunno?? Mabee you should ax Harry.
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Why in the sam hill do you think the Feds should engage them
What could possible be gained?

The BLM for some reason over played their hand going in hot with cattle rustlers, armed thuggs and snipers. They physically assalted those who opposed them. Yeah, I know this rancher has lost twice in court and now he owes the feds 1 mirron in fees. I mean really... why not just place a lean on the property???

Contrast that with the 100,000 who celebrated the Corolado pot laws by smoking weed in public. The LAW in Colorado is that smoking in public is Illeagal and carries a fine of one full and one half fun ticket. FEDERAL LAW is that pot is a controlled substance and strickly ILLEagal, yet the feds don't really care about this even though Its the law!!1! Thats 1-1/2 mirron!!!! Fedaral law still states that weed is ILLEGAL!!!1!. Yet, no feds with automatic weapons, snippersor even tazzarz...why?

Doesn't the LAWZ mattarz?
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Snippers, automatic weapons and such against a fricking rancher isn't at all over the top? yeah okay

The Feds have bigger problems to deal with and better ways to handle them. My question is why this now? Surely thier has to be some reason they don't want this family to graize the cattle here after something like 130 years of it going on. Maybe a political distraction??? IDK, it just doesn't seem like a reasonable course of action.
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LOL

Guess they should have done what they normally do... file a claim on the property.

How many snipperz, thuggz and fedz showed up to enforce the Federal LAWZ in Colorado???

Mass flaunting of Federal Authoritiezzzz!!!1!

You are for eaquil justuz under the lawz aren't you?

It couldn't be possible that something else is going on here, could it?
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I've read about a guy in Germany that had that kind of thinking. You know improving humanity for the better by "cleaning up the gene pool"

Thanks for sharing!
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LOL and but, but its the lawls!!!1!!
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Dunno?? Mabee you should ax Harry.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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