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Old 04-18-2014, 08:41 PM   #51
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Old 04-18-2014, 08:52 PM   #52
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6, irrelevant

Stupid Nevada rancher and friends aren't brown and aren't part of a religious minority. Nobody will take the terrorist label seriously even if they met a reasonable definition of terrorist.

and 7, wrong

Attacking civilians is a pretty important element of being a terrorist. One might even call it a defining element.
Well 6 is obv given right wing terrorists kill more people in America than Muslim terrorists - something that literally offends some people to the point a tiny amount of resources are dedicated to stopping them and it has become the unspoken rule that white people cant be terrorists in America nowadays

7 isnt correct
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Old 04-18-2014, 08:56 PM   #53
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:05 PM   #54
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If you are going to choose to use the word terrorist then you should probably give us your definition of the word. Using anything beyond attacking civilians (I would even grant extending that to noncombatants) so greatly dilutes the word that is ceases to have a relevant meaning. For the moment I suppose we can use the US government's own definition of the word.

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1) Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

2) Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and

3) Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S
You can argue 2 and 3 occurred, but kicking a dog and legally holding guns doesn't live up to number 1. It still isn't terrorism even by this ridiculous definition.

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Old 04-18-2014, 09:05 PM   #55
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I bet this Bundy fella really hates moochers.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:31 PM   #56
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If you are going to choose to use the word terrorist then you should probably give us your definition of the word. Using anything beyond attacking civilians (I would even grant extending that to noncombatants) so greatly dilutes the word that is ceases to have a relevant meaning. For the moment I suppose we can use the US government's own definition of the word.



You can argue 2 and 3 occurred, but kicking a dog and legally holding guns doesn't live up to number 1. It still isn't terrorism even by this ridiculous definition.
Errorism,imo

http://news.intelwire.com/2014/04/do...terrorism.html

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Old 04-18-2014, 09:33 PM   #57
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2nd amendment apologists..

is that what you were imagining when you make that "gotta defend against the govt" argument?

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Old 04-18-2014, 09:38 PM   #58
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If you are going to choose to use the word terrorist then you should probably give us your definition of the word. Using anything beyond attacking civilians (I would even grant extending that to noncombatants) so greatly dilutes the word that is ceases to have a relevant meaning. For the moment I suppose we can use the US government's own definition of the word.



You can argue 2 and 3 occurred, but kicking a dog and legally holding guns doesn't live up to number 1. It still isn't terrorism even by this ridiculous definition.
I mean, it's certainly arguable whether or not them threatening to start killing anyone that comes for their illegally grazing cattle has terroristic intentions. I don't think anyone is trying to claim that kicking a dog is terrorism. Not even holding guns. It's the threats of violence (combined with past violence from these types of people) that enables one to throw the word around but it's still probably a little much.

That being said, terrorism isn't restricted to just civilians which you seem to have backed down from which was the point :P
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:42 PM   #59
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It's armed robbery of the people's money. Let's poll the ranch defenders see how many say yep when asked if tax is theft. My educated guess is plenty.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:56 PM   #60
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Why not rustle his cattle out in the middle of the night a few at a time? Or do it 'Alien abduction' wise and lift them out w/ helicopters?

Failing that rounding up a couple of hundred wolves and letting them loose is the best play.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:22 PM   #61
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If you are going to choose to use the word terrorist then you should probably give us your definition of the word. Using anything beyond attacking civilians (I would even grant extending that to noncombatants) so greatly dilutes the word that is ceases to have a relevant meaning. For the moment I suppose we can use the US government's own definition of the word.



You can argue 2 and 3 occurred, but kicking a dog and legally holding guns doesn't live up to number 1. It still isn't terrorism even by this ridiculous definition.
Wtf, they were threatening to shoot federal agents if they tried to leave with the legally obtained cattle, including setting up sniping positions in anticipation and openly talking about illegally shooting them on camera to journalists. They clearly met 1.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:52 PM   #62
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jfc Phil.

Morons saying moronic things does not meet the definition of "acts dangerous to human life". Talking **** isn't an action dangerous to human life. These morons aren't a threat to the government. Even if you take them 100% at their word they aren't a legitimate threat. They aren't hiding. They aren't planning an attack against a government facility or civilian targets. They are sitting around like the morons they are waiting for their own massacre if the government decides to engage them. Calling any moron who says something threatening to the government a terrorist is is beyond terrible.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:59 PM   #63
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jfc Phil.

Morons saying moronic things does not meet the definition of "acts dangerous to human life". Talking **** isn't an action dangerous to human life. These morons aren't a threat to the government. Even if you take them 100% at their word they aren't a legitimate threat. They aren't hiding. They aren't planning an attack against a government facility or civilian targets. They are sitting around like the morons they are waiting for their own massacre if the government decides to engage them. Calling any moron who says something threatening to the government a terrorist is is beyond terrible.
I think you're classification of talking **** is a little loose. These dudes were talking **** about shooting federal agents while they were holding the guns they were talking **** about shooting those federal agents with.
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jfc Phil.

Morons saying moronic things does not meet the definition of "acts dangerous to human life". Talking **** isn't an action dangerous to human life. These morons aren't a threat to the government. Even if you take them 100% at their word they aren't a legitimate threat. They aren't hiding. They aren't planning an attack against a government facility or civilian targets. They are sitting around like the morons they are waiting for their own massacre if the government decides to engage them. Calling any moron who says something threatening to the government a terrorist is is beyond terrible.
100+ people threatening to kill people (taking them 100% at their word here) isn't a legitimate threat?
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:03 PM   #65
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jfc Phil.

Morons saying moronic things does not meet the definition of "acts dangerous to human life". Talking **** isn't an action dangerous to human life. These morons aren't a threat to the government. Even if you take them 100% at their word they aren't a legitimate threat. They aren't hiding. They aren't planning an attack against a government facility or civilian targets. They are sitting around like the morons they are waiting for their own massacre if the government decides to engage them. Calling any moron who says something threatening to the government a terrorist is is beyond terrible.

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Old 04-18-2014, 11:06 PM   #66
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Rjoe, Against the federal government when the government knows exactly where you are?

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A morbid part of me wants to see this play out in the worst way possible, if only so that all those dudes clinging to the 2nd Amendment because they need to be able to stand up to the government discover just how futile those efforts would be. Push ever comes to shove, you have guns, they have tanks and bombs. Crank it up ****ers.
I call it a massacre. Do you see it differently?

LMB, yes I call it talking ****, these tards aren't willing to die over a bunch of cattle. They wanted to walk around with their guns on camera and get a little youtube time.

Edit: You guys are seriously trolling right? You don't look at these idiots and see something that is actually threatening do you?
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:09 PM   #67
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Rjoe, Against the federal government when the government knows exactly where you are?
I assume when the US government launches a drone strike they know exactly where the person they are targeting is at. Is that person no longer a terrorist?
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:10 PM   #68
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Honestly I think the mistake is that when Americans think terrorists they think of foreign people. Domestic people commit hate crimes or are run of the mill criminals.
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BLM considered them a legitimate enough threat to end their round up so I'm not sure what I should think of them without being there.
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:14 PM   #70
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Right, people who shoot up Jewish community centers are terrorists. People who show off for the cameras with their guns are morons.
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Right, people who shoot up Jewish community centers are terrorists. People who show off for the cameras with their guns are morons.
Hey I agree they are morans. But that doesn't make them not terrorists.
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:29 PM   #72
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You basically had a bunch of attention whore open carriers getting together in one spot to taunt the police. This isn't terrorism, and not engaging them is the correct decision. Calling someone a terrorist for making a threat is a joke. You might as well make terrorist and criminal completely interchangeable.
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:31 PM   #73
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You basically had a bunch of attention whore open carriers getting together in one spot to taunt the police. This isn't terrorism, and not engaging them is the correct decision. Calling someone a terrorist for making a threat is a joke. You might as well make terrorist and criminal completely interchangeable.
I'm perfectly fine with making terrorism a criminal offence and not some kind of magical offence that requires drones,secret sites, and tribunals. But, and again this has to be pointed out time and time again, they pointed guns and threatened law enforcement officers. If they were any other color than pale white they would have been shot down without a second thought. But making threats and demands to the government to get their way is, like, what terrorists do.
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Old 04-18-2014, 11:52 PM   #74
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If the US Government cedes the land [back] to Nevada, will the guy pay Nevada the fees to graze his cattle?

Or does he think that Nevada will let people graze on State land for free?
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Old 04-19-2014, 12:42 AM   #75
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Heard Mark Levin going on about how the land is only federal land because of an endangered tortoise or something and now the tortoise is no longer endangered... so guy should just get to graze his cattle forever for free I guess?

It doesn't matter how obviously illegal it is - as long as Obama's president, anything that involves white people "showing resistance against an overreaching govt" will all of a sudden become acceptable to the wingnuts.
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