I don't mean to belabor the point, but consider the first verse of the popular Confederate anthem, "Bonnie Blue Flag."

Emphasis mine. What property? What's honest about the toil? Yes yes, I know most common soldiers were poor white non-slaveholders, but this is still very telling about the "Dixie" mindset that is still very much part of the cultural lexicon.

And arguably, I think is very much part of the mindset of certain pro-business types ("job creators," anyone?) who insist that they are effectively kings of their industries and their employees the serfs (and hence are "self-entitled lazy whiners" if they want fair wages, collective bargaining, birth control coverage, etc). They believe they're the ones who worked the hardest, perhaps the only ones who really worked, and hence they are entitled to the largest share of the pie.

New seminar topic ideas:

"The Real Real Racists: Us"
"Rape: Are We Asking For It"
"The Thin Black Line: How to Let Constituents Know You Are As Racist as Them Without Using the N-Word"

pretty "meh" effort as a sequel to the original, sir.

It seems clear to me that among libertarians and other right wing groups word "freedom" has an actual meaning different from the dictionary meaning. It actual means unaccountability.

IMHO the race baiting by using the term "racism" is a facade to take more money. In order for liberals to take the working classes money they first have to make you out as bad, the aggressor, or the evil person. Once they do they they can loot you for their government checks. Now we have to weed through the government lackies, the paid government shills, and all around evil school teachers and professors on these boards. They want your money and they don't want to work for it. They hire their middle man like Bill Clinton to take it for them.

Do I think Romney, McCain, or W. honest no I do not, I think only Ron Paul is honest and decent, that is why he is attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZzp0ot4izQ

So Happy_Fish totally thinks it's awful to make up caricatures for your opponents and totally awful to think you're better than them. Meanwhile, he thinks that all liberals on this board are content with just being 2% better than Republicans and constantly reminds us that he voted for Gary Johnson while everyone else was embroiled in their stupid petty partisan politics.

Oh, and this.

Happy_Fish: you are a giant ****ing hypocrite.

That seems to be the way it is. There's a whole lot of threads laughing at political opponents and just handwaving away the terrible **** that's actually affecting people's lives today. And since I'm getting called racist for voting Gary Johnson, don't you think it's a LITTLE BIT relevant that he would be by far the best candidate for blacks in America?

More handwaving because something something Civil War.

Yeah I got banned for trolling that thread. If more people got banned for trolling maybe it would be a better forum. Or maybe if other people got banned for personal attacks.

But it's cool, you guys use the forum however you want.

Whatever. Maybe you're too close to the forum to see what it looks like from the outside.

Like this whole thing came about because somebody had the AUDACITY to say TC seemed like a decent guy

BUT DID YOU SEE WHAT HE SAID ON THE INTERNET?!??!?!

There are several places where liberals in this forum attack Democratic politicians from the left (but I guess if you just invent a caricature for your opponents you don't have to think about that?) and you want to tell us all about voting for Gary Johnson because you want to make it clear that you're better than us (tying back in to your "wow the Democrats just want to squabble and be slightly better than the Republicans" deal - you, the great Happy_Fish, do not stoop to such lows like the rest of us do!).

Right, because you can give us a nice objective outsiders' view.

Steeeeeeeeeelhizzle,

Raaaaawwwwwwnnnn Paaaawwwwwlllll funneled $300,000 of your moneybomb money to his family members during his Presidential campaigns, bro. He told you stories you would like so he could take your monies.

A: idk Donald Sterling always seemed like a pretty decent guy to me
B: Did you know anything about his history of being a giant racist in addition to his comments released yesterday?
Happy_Fish: JESUS I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS AWFUL CHARACTER ASSASSINATION, WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Several places my ass. The number of posts laughing about political opponents to the posts seriously discussing why democrats politicians are failing from the left is so lopsided it's laughable you could post that with a straight face.

But it's cool man, you love your war and your spying and your jail. Keep on keepin on brotha!

California is full of bigots evil homophobes so it doesn't surprise me in the least. He probably voted for Romney, though, so VICTORY FOR BLUE TEAM!

Happy_Fish- Nobody called you a racist for voting for Gary Johnson. I mean, you are an enormous racist, make no mistake. It's despicable the way your #1 go-to joke, applicable to any situation, is sarcastically mocking the concept of racism existing because of how you think liberals call everything racist. Can't even talk about how blacks were better off as slaves without getting that race card played against you, because we all know liberals don't want to discuss the issues!

"haha, it's hilarious how black people used to be chattel property" is the underlying subtext of that joke each and every time you make it. You get that, right?

You throw a ****ing temper tantrum at the slightest hint of any left of center person implying that race may have in some way mattered to any aspect of American politics 1640-present. If anyone, ever, for anything, gets called racist you assume that you personally are being called racist(?????) and just whine and whine and whine about it.

But you're so pretzeled and confused as to why it's frankly baffling. You don't even have a point anymore, beyond "NOBODY CALL ANYBODY MEAN NAMES EVER!!!! EXCEPT WHEN I CALL CALIFORNIA BIGOTED, THATS OK. ALSO SOMETHING ABOUT NEWT GINGRICH'S SCHOOL JANITOR IDEAS, WHICH I THINK WERE TERRIBLE BUT I GOT ANGRY WHEN OTHER PEOPLE CALLED THEM TERRIBLE(????)!"

Apparently now, IN A DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF A PERSON, it's some sort of ****ing librul Jedi mind trick to discuss whether that person, say, has a habit of saying reprehensible neo-confederate bull****?
The **** is wrong with you?

FYI - Every town, state, country, continent, and planet(maybe) has bigots. So your comment proves nothing.

The martians are extremely prejudice fwiw

LOL

You couldn't have made my point any better for me than by accusing me of these things.

Happy_Fish would like to take a moment to tell us all how awful it is to lump all your opponents into one caricature, and also inform us how all lefties are all the same.

what did i just read

DVaut, are you a lawyer? -1200 you're a lawyer.

Nope. Hope you didn't take any action.

Project management is my guess.

this is gonna be like guessing tom hanks' profession before ww2 in saving pvt ryan, he'll tell us when we're ready to mutiny.

DVaut has been pretty open about his profession

Sure, but even the obsession with property is mostly self serving. It isn't like the intellectual consistency of this view extends equally to being wound up over the native americans losing their vast property. Nor have I ever seen them suggest the slaves should have been duly compensated along with southern slave owners when they make the federal government buyout alternative argument to the civil war.