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It's pretty hilarious how Hannity and the right-wing media is trying to pretend that this isn't really about Bundy at all but about GOVERNMENT OVERREACH. Even if they happened to be correct on that front, which they aren't, then it still doesn't explain why they chose to champion this dude and his supporters as god-fearing patriots. There is literally zero defense for them twisting this story to make this guy out to be some kind of hero when all he did was refuse to pay the government what he owed and rallied a bunch of likely neo-confederates into a makeshift militia to take up arms against the feds. There is no redeeming part of Cliven Bundy's story that you could hold on to where you could pretend the other stuff doesn't exist and come away with the impression that he's actually a pretty swell guy with a just cause.

As others have alluded to, the racist drivel just gives the GOP a perfect excuse to distance themselves from this nutjob. Had it led to some kind of deadly shootout that would have had political disaster written all over it.

Fox News championed crazy white guys with guns. Who'd have thunk it? Remember all the Kenyan Muslim birth certificate crap? They are the source of a nice chunk of the drivel. You can't distance yourself from yourself.

04-26-2014 , 10:58 AM

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Lets say you invest $200,000 in a house. Say from this house you earn 1% or $2000 per year in rent after expenses. Now say your taxes are $6000 or 3%. Now also say all capital appreciation above the $200,000 is taken by the government. The government however will always provide insurance that if your house price drops below $200,000 they will make up the difference.

A. So you earn $2000 in profit, then the government takes $6000 in taxes, what is your tax rate? B. Where do they get the $4000 net taxes from?

C. If you went to an ivy league college on the public loan and are now working at the IRS what is your answer?

D. If you are the homeowner what is your answer?

I believe you have to ask how to you earn your income or schooling? If you get it from taking from the Koch brothers your answer will probably align with C. If you work in the private sector your answer will align with D.

My answer is you are paying 300% in taxes and the taxes come from inflation.

Thanks for the explanation.....totally makes sense.

04-26-2014 , 11:24 AM

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heehaww

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Not only do I have to pay 90% of my income to government,

Lmao. So you hate taxes / helping anyone but yourself, but you pay 60% more than anyone else in the country does? You might wanna use tax software next time bro. The IRS is about to initiate a ****** audit on you.

04-26-2014 , 12:40 PM

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amazing

04-26-2014 , 12:42 PM

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rjoefish

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300% hahaha

04-26-2014 , 01:01 PM

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vaya

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Dvaut and others,

Do you really think that, hypothetically, Karl Rove is telling Dean Heller if he supports wackadoodles the super PAC money spigot will get turned off and Heller doesn't care?

04-26-2014 , 02:37 PM

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the American Dream is a banana republic

04-26-2014 , 04:51 PM

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dth123451

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"Tax the cars" needs to be a meme

04-26-2014 , 08:44 PM

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Yes it did, all you have to do is look at the tax rates. I looked up an 1960 World Book encyclopedia and was hoping to find the amount of federal land in Nevada, however what I did find was that Nevada had a 2% sales tax in 1960. The first time Jerry Brown was governor the sales tax was 6%. In the old days there were no sales taxes or income taxes. Most building codes did not start until 1900. I say after a home burns down 3 times, people will start to use other materials.

No, they'll be DEAD!

Call me crazy but I'm against that.

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Rachel Maddow belongs to a long list of what I call "economic terrorists". They claim they want to help the poor when in reality is all they want is everyone around them to pay for schools, health care, and they receive credit by forcing them to do so. We need to give her some of her own medicine tax her to $20,000 per year.

Right, because anyone who says taxes are okay gets a pass in having to pay them?

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The reality the working poor move to Texas. Your average Eastern European county has roots in socialism and communism, thus even higher taxes. Our streets are lace with homeless. You don't see the poor on the internet because they are too busy paying taxes to teachers and rent to landowners. Tax money does not go to fix the roads anymore, it goes to support a welfare, teacher, union state.

Innovation changes yearly. I can't imagine life without the car, computer, airplanes, rockets, or internet. It was not government that built those things but trade individuals and corporations. With or without government safety would also increase, not only do the companies not want to pay for lawsuits the employees would naturally move to safer companies. The most dangerous job is government astronaut where the original shuttle mission had a 20% chance of death (btw there is a great ted talk on this). Governments killed 100 million in 1 war last century and will probably kill a few billion this century the way weak liberals keep talking tough about Russia and Putin.

Government workers live like kings they have the best gyms, eat the best food, and own the best houses and do basically nothing except cause hinderance and spend other peoples money. The roads were built by taxpayers not government workers. The Koch brothers made Obamacare possible by paying for the whole thing. Yet the greedy selfish liberals take credit.

Bolded is hilarious. In a world of zero laws and regulations, how exactly does one sue someone?

04-26-2014 , 09:09 PM

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Bolded is hilarious. In a world of zero laws and regulations, how exactly does one sue someone?

I and Ayn Rand believe there should be laws and regulations. We believe in a strong defense and courts. I believe in water, air, and waste regulations. Safety is up to the employee mostly. If the job is dangerous, quit. Work for a safe contractor. If you can walk down the street without getting hurt you should be able to find a job without getting hurt.

In the end we need a balanced budget amendment and a need to end the income taxes, all corporate taxes, dividend/capital gains taxes, minimum wage taxes, and sales taxes. The government could come door to door for donations and time. With 10 signatures of residents of any geographic area of 4 square miles should be able to vote to succeed from the county or city, forming a new city, then only cities can collect sales taxes. If the government needs taxes they should require everyone to pay pay $1000 to the state. Taxes should not be progessive or flat but fixed.

Sorry to break it to you boys but your liberal way of life is on the wrong side of history.

04-26-2014 , 09:22 PM

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And if you don't realize the job is dangerous until death...oh well

04-26-2014 , 09:39 PM

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And if you don't realize the job is dangerous until death...oh well

You can walk off any job at any time. In fact by law they have to pay you for every minute you are there. You have to sense danger.

04-26-2014 , 09:50 PM

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I assume you should be able to point to a time in history or another country now that had few regulations but is as safe as a country with regulations. You know, cos they walk out.

04-26-2014 , 10:32 PM

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TC is really that bad?

I only really read the big and/or fun politics threads and he seems like a pretty intelligent and aware guy, even if he roots for an evil empire of a college team.

Is there anything about his sports posts that would lead you to believe that he is rational when discussing politics?

04-26-2014 , 11:42 PM

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Just read the whole thread and my conclusion is that steelhouse is a highly functioning "special person" or a troll. The house rent situation made it official but it was pretty clear before that.

04-26-2014 , 11:50 PM

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dessin d'enfant

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Sorry to break it to you boys but your liberal way of life is on the wrong side of history.

And you seem to be on the wrong side of sanity.

04-26-2014 , 11:54 PM

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Just read the whole thread and my conclusion is that steelhouse is a highly functioning "special person" or a troll. The house rent situation made it official but it was pretty clear before that.

With any other avatar, I'd say "special person"

With an Ayn Rand avatar, clearly elaborate troll

04-26-2014 , 11:54 PM

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steelhouse could be someone's PhD thesis for comp sci.

04-27-2014 , 12:21 AM

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the first ~half of that I was with you. the second half, wat

04-27-2014 , 12:30 AM

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wiper

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Is there anything about his sports posts that would lead you to believe that he is rational when discussing politics?

yes.

I mean, I've talked to him via PM a couple times I think and while he and I disagree in our choices of college football teams, and both take every opportunity to point out the negatives in each other's teams, he's a very bright person who I would certainly be friends with if we had ever had the opportunity. in particular, his ypp rankings each week are fun and show at least intelligence and a willingness to entertain/provide the forum with content.

I'm not his white knight or anything, I'm just kinda surprised with how he's portrayed in the politics forum apparently.

what are his non-"normal" views?

I will say he's a bit militant about bitcoin, but even then I guess it doesn't bother me (perhaps bc I believe in and hope the concept becomes more widespread).

04-27-2014 , 01:07 AM

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I miss the days when steelhouse was semi-plausible.

04-27-2014 , 01:10 AM

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well on the internet you either die a curiosity or live long enough to become a caricature of yourself

04-27-2014 , 01:13 AM

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TC is generally decently reasoned and overall not horrible to have a discussion with especially by Politards standards. Every now and then he'll present a pretty odd viewpoint, but rarely does he go down in flames. The exception being the whole bitcoin thing, which, holy mother of god.