This is clearly flywf's fault. If he wasn't so dead set on making false accusations of racism all the time then we could have a real discussion about the merits of chattel slavery.

It wasn't racist. He just isn't media trained.

LOL media trained, he just forgot he wasn't wearing his hood.

I genuinely loled at this. ****ing gold, that huge civil war thread was missing a variation on this joke in the title to make it perfect.

the gigantic irony of this type of constitutional fellatio is that those who seek to wrap themselves in the constitution are ignorant of the history that produced that document.

you mention the whiskey rebellion, but looking before the constitution is more helpful. the articles of confederation, which reserved more authority to the states while providing for an impotent central government, failed. the constitution fixed this distribution.

the document that they cite to argue for a smaller federal government came about because such an arrangement already failed.

About the best Conservative take you'll get on this.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/conse...t-destroy-him/

The thing is there are legitimate land and water issues in the West, but the over hyping and veneration of Wild West antics doesn't solve anything.

As I understood it, one of the points of politics unchained was to allow serious discussions that were too sensitive for the main forum.

Absolutely. There is a really good argument to be made that the BLM should still be releasing land to people who want to improve or put it to productive use. That was their original mission - which changed in the late 1800s when they realized the West wasn't really suited to small farmsteads and resource depletion/monopolization was going to be a huge issue.

If this guy was at all eloquent and didn't have a bunch of militia buddies pointing guns all over the place he might actually spur a debate on this topic.

rjoe you're making a celebrity cameo on chiefsplanet:

This basically was an expert play by the government by backing down, then letting these idiots shoot themselves in the foot. Make them martyrs, they get support. Let them reveal themselves, and the legitimate arguments that they actually might have get destroyed just by association. Get a lot of attention on the issue, let them get cocky, then implode.

It also helps that the dude is a racist kook who apparently doesn't know **** about homesteading law and just wants free cattle grazing.

I gotta wonder if there is any "ignorant wisdom" at play here. Along the lines of let's say some racist stuff and hope to provoke Obama to finally dole out the martyr death by superior firepower that's being asked for.

It's probably just dumb beyond reason, I know. These are folks that allowed the guy ready to frame a massacre with their own families in front of a camera.

"Hey, people are catching on to the rampant tyranny and oppression we are engaging in here at BLM, a department that 95% of Americans probably are unaware exists and 99% of whom could not tell you what B,L and M stand for. We have to do something to divert peoples' attention away from our organization that they don't know exists!"

"I know, I know! You know that crazy idiot who isn't paying grazing fees in Clark County, NV? Let's take him to court for 20 years and obtain a lawful judgment! I bet when we go to enforce it, he will round up dozens of completely insane "militiamen" who might shoot and kill us!"

"YES YES YES! PERFECT!"

Come on now Tommy. It's not our fault that these are your bed fellows. Instead of conspiritarding, maybe re-evaluate a world view in which you start your analysis of every situation with the already assumed conclusion that the big bad government is the problem.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ant-video.html

What were we missing....oh yeah Alex Jones fresh hot takes

(article then shows video of him saying pickin cotton)

Also "I have a black friend" bettors cash all tickets

Haha couldn't even call him a friend.

In hindsight it probably wasn't a good idea to compare Bundy to Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr., I guess.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...ers-rosa-parks

"I think he feels welcome as anyone else"

is definitely not the same as

"He is as welcome as anyone else."

not that it matters at this point

In and out of his home though. I bet Bundy even let him come through the front door. What more do you people want?

You are misrepresenting my point. Once this blew up into a story, they played it perfectly. Not saying they had some vast conspiracy before that. Doubt that the predicted the militia taking arms once the cattle were seized.

Once that happens, they pretty much did it all perfectly.

Trolly and Suzzer,

The trip to Chiefsplanet was amusing as always. Just out of curiosity, does Live Stream straight up admit that he is a racist, or does he have some convoluted explanation for why he is not a racist?

It is so rare to encounter the former, but it seems like Live Stream might just be a proud Klansman.

You still asserted that this guy had some legitimate arguments.

Hannity has bowed out. All is lost.

I think he sees himself as a realist just calling it like it is. I think he's an old coot. He's also really into old trains and knows pretty much everything about them, which would be endearing if not for the psychotic hatred of minorities and gays.

We'll just file that one away with Stalin made the trains run on time, Hitler had some good ideas and the South is gentile.

This is so much fun. It's like watching a dissection of American idiocy.