Nevada Rancher Hilarity: The Tragic Death of Y'All Qaeda's Tarp Man - Page 89 - Politics and Economics

The Oregon standoff was early 2016, the MAGA movement was pretty strong by then. Although even in 2014 it was there, just didn't have Trump as the figurehead yet.

Anyway it was more of a commentary on the fact that deplorables don't actually support law enforcement, it's more about an authoritarian desire for someone to enforce their ****ed up cultural views. It falls apart when they're not doing that. I don't think w00t was actually grappling with those issues though, he's just a troll.

01-09-2018 , 07:37 AM

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what i dont understand is how this judge dismissed the case "with prejudice" due to this seemingly insignificant technicality, meaning that they cant be re-tried because somehow they wont get a fair trial.

wtf?

01-09-2018 , 08:08 AM

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Victor

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obv the judge didnt feel that it was "insignificant technicality".

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ng/1008051001/

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For instance, she said, prosecutors derided defense requests for a BLM internal affairs report into misconduct as a "bright shiny object ... that did not exist."

But documents later showed an internal investigation had taken place and had found misconduct.

Navarro pointed out that during two previous trials of militia members who supported Bundy, prosecutors insisted there was no evidence that video surveillance and sniper teams were in use around the Bundy Ranch prior to the the standoff.

Prosecutors charged defendants with making false claims about snipers and videos to incite their supporters in the runup to the standoff. But documents that surfaced after the start of the trial last month showed there were tactical teams and multiple video cameras positioned around the ranch.

so obv the bolded charges need to be dropped.

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Navarro on Dec. 20 cited six pieces of evidence that the Nevada U.S. Attorney's Office failed to disclose that were favorable to the defense and could have changed the outcome of the trial.

The evidence included:

Records about surveillance at the Bundy ranch;
Maps about government surveillance;
Records about the presence of government snipers;
FBI logs about activity at the ranch in the days leading up to the standoff;
Law-enforcement assessments dating to 2012 that found the Bundys posed no threat;
Internal affairs reports about misconduct by Bureau of Land Management agents.

beyond that, it sounds like the govt withheld exculpatory evidence, esp considering the bundy defense heavily involved self-defense claims.

01-09-2018 , 09:10 AM

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dth123451

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Prosecutors should get fired.

01-26-2018 , 09:37 PM

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MrWookie

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-o...-idUSKBN1FG00K

Lawsuit against the FBI incoming on behalf of the late Tarp Man.

01-27-2018 , 04:11 PM

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Jiggymike

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Yup and they’ll probably win and injustice will continue to be served upon racial lines in America. Threaten federal officers and clear video evidence of reaching into coat? Officers fault if white. Selling loose cigarettes while black? Chokehold is appropriate, death not their fault

01-30-2018 , 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Just f***ing imagine if the people pointing guns at law enforcement were black or brown. Tanks/planes/robots would have been sent in and all the offenders (and everyone standing with them) would have been dead no questions asked.

07-10-2018 , 01:02 PM

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dth123451

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What took Daddy so long?

07-10-2018 , 01:14 PM

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Huehuecoyotl

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Don't know. But theres a clear pattern with Trump

07-10-2018 , 01:27 PM

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07-10-2018 , 02:16 PM

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ScreaminAsian

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trump is a big friend of law enforcement (brutalizing people of color).

07-10-2018 , 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Don't know. But theres a clear pattern with Trump

"the Hammonds didn’t deserve a five year sentence for using fire as a management tool, something the federal government does all the time"

The Federal government is allowed to do maaany things random idiots aren't.

07-10-2018 , 03:16 PM

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"Your honor, give me some rope here as I know right wing ******s generally like to ignore legislative intent, but Congress clearly intended to only apply that mandatory minimum sentence to the towelheads."

07-10-2018 , 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by otatop

THE LAW IS THE LAW it doesn't matter that you're a starving refugee fleeing death and destruction you need to follow ... wait they're what colour? Oh, well the law is a tricky thing you know. Really people should use their best judgement in most cases. I think these guys deserve the benefit of the doubt.

07-10-2018 , 05:58 PM

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I couldn’t get past Trump “thoroughly reviewing the facts of the case” before cracking up.

07-10-2018 , 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dth123451

The legislation was a response to the Oklahoma City bombing as well as the World Trade Center bombing.

https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=14646

07-10-2018 , 06:14 PM

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Here's a thread with some more details about the pardoned ranchers. Setting ****ing fires all over the place:

https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1016694414364717056

07-10-2018 , 06:33 PM

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I don’t know anything about this case, but I guarantee that it involved more than simply performing a controlled burn.

07-10-2018 , 09:12 PM

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FlyWf

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Hey so it kinda didn't get a lot of press but that Oregon jury doing a jury nullification for the Bundy boys was a real bad sign of future right wing violence, and now the President has essentially promised any of those Real America Ranchers if any of them do get convicted they are above the law.

So that's gonna end real ****ing well.

07-10-2018 , 09:40 PM

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Oroku$aki

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Who reminds Trump about these morons?

07-10-2018 , 09:42 PM

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MrWookie

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Stephen Miller

07-10-2018 , 10:49 PM

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JimHammer

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

I don’t know anything about this case, but I guarantee that it involved more than simply performing a controlled burn.

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Prosecutors said in 2016 they set fires to cover up evidence of poaching

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/polit...don/index.html

07-10-2018 , 11:33 PM

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pardoning domestic terrorists to trigger the libz

07-11-2018 , 09:51 AM

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Is that why the occupiers were found innocent? Because the jury didn't want to convict them aka jury nullification? I'm pretty sure any pro-occupation people would have been screened out, much less all 12 of them.