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Old 05-28-2012, 10:22 PM   #101
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Re: Nationalism: Do You Actually Think America is Better Than Other Countries?

The US isn't necessarily better but it's the most important...both de jure (US foreign policy) and de facto (coca cola, movies etc).
 
Old 05-28-2012, 11:13 PM   #102
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that is funny. at least your prefaced your opinion by stating that your impression of America comes from America TV shows and news clips on youtube (great sources by the way).
I kind of said that half jokingly but BBC news does focus a lot on US politics. Loads of things on the healthcare bill.
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Old 05-28-2012, 11:28 PM   #103
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The US isn't necessarily better but it's the most important...both de jure (US foreign policy) and de facto (coca cola, movies etc).
I mean, how do you even measure that? There's a billion or so people in China who are going to tell you that China is a much bigger influence on them than the US. And I'm sure most of the people in the neighboring regions (also fairly heavily populated) are going to say China is a much bigger influence as well.
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Old 05-28-2012, 11:42 PM   #104
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I think the USA is probably still one of of best countries, if not the best. That does not mean that we are immune to becoming worse, as seems to be the attitude of the older generation. I think that we're much "less better" than the rest of the world than we were 10 years ago.
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As a euro I can say that USA is a great country, used to be #1 and it probably still is in the top 5 in the world. The American people are getting dumbed down in an alarming rate by mass media and public schools, so you will probably drop down in the list as the american dream get's blurrier and the federal government starts running your lives more.
I agree with both of these posts.
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:08 AM   #105
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I mean, how do you even measure that? There's a billion or so people in China who are going to tell you that China is a much bigger influence on them than the US. And I'm sure most of the people in the neighboring regions (also fairly heavily populated) are going to say China is a much bigger influence as well.
The US obv isn't the biggest influence on every single person in the world... but I think people in China understand the global influence of the US.

A way to measure it would be to look at how many ultra skilled people (mathematicians, engineers etc) the US imports vs how much they export. The US is certainly exceptional in terms of retaining and importing talented people.
 
Old 05-29-2012, 01:39 AM   #106
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Given that the US is still the world's most powerful financial and military leader, it's entirely possible and plausible that it is both the greatest force for good, and the greatest force for evil, in the world.
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:45 AM   #107
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I agree the USA is an exceptional country, but the people are stupid as ****.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:22 AM   #108
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I found this.It shows how American states compare with other countries by GDP or population. It's from 2009

http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...ates_countries
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:56 AM   #109
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The US obv isn't the biggest influence on every single person in the world... but I think people in China understand the global influence of the US.
I gave an example of a billion or two people. And I agree that people in China do understand the global influence of the US. I would bet they understand it a lot more than people in the US understand the global influence of the Chinese.

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A way to measure it would be to look at how many ultra skilled people (mathematicians, engineers etc) the US imports vs how much they export. The US is certainly exceptional in terms of retaining and importing talented people.
That's one really arbitrary way. Another arbitrary way would be by nobel prizes won (probably also won by the Americans). Another would be by amount of goods manufactured. Another would be by surveying people. And so on and so on.

If I had to pick a country with the most global influence by my own definition of the word I'd probably pick the US. But its definitely close and there are lots of reasonable ways of defining "global influence" where the Chinese would be ahead.
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I gave an example of a billion or two people. And I agree that people in China do understand the global influence of the US. I would bet they understand it a lot more than people in the US understand the global influence of the Chinese.
Doesn't this sort of prove the point?
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:02 AM   #111
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Doesn't this sort of prove the point?
Lol, no. Being more ignorant isn't proof of anything.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:12 AM   #112
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Lol, no. Being more ignorant isn't proof of anything.
The Chinese can feel the US's influence cuz it's powerful. Americans can't really feel the influence of the Chinese because we radiate awesome. Like how the sun doesn't really notice if you shine a flashlight in its direction.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:43 AM   #113
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America is wunderbar.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:28 AM   #114
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We're all living in America
America is wunderbar.
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I think it's good to be patriotic and nationalistic to a degree. The point where it ceases to make good sense is where people throw rational action out the window and react physically to perceived offenses against the name of their beloved motherland. That, I think, says more about the individual tho. I know cats that'll fight ya over the UF/FSU rivalry who've never set foot on either campus!
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:08 AM   #115
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Grunching so I haven't read the rest of the responses but I've had numerous arguments with my dad about this. He kinda just closes his mind off on this subject. He complains about the government and has absolutely no knowledge of what it's like to live in other countries, yet he demands that the US is the greatest country in the world. Drives me absolutely crazy to be honest.
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:23 AM   #116
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Are there any Fins ITT?
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:52 AM   #117
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Grunching so I haven't read the rest of the responses but I've had numerous arguments with my dad about this. He kinda just closes his mind off on this subject. He complains about the government and has absolutely no knowledge of what it's like to live in other countries, yet he demands that the US is the greatest country in the world. Drives me absolutely crazy to be honest.
exact same situation with my dad, although he has been to other countries. he acknowledges that the US gov is working for the 1% and generally agrees with most of my (fairly liberal) positions. however, he maintains that America is like no place else in the world, and definitely believes in American exceptionalism. maybe it's just a generational thing (their parents served in WWII, etc).
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Old 05-29-2012, 04:57 PM   #118
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und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus.

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Old 05-29-2012, 06:19 PM   #120
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In a great country, you can say the country is a POS and nothing will happen. In a POS country, if you say it is a POS country you will be forced to apologize.
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:49 PM   #121
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:52 PM   #122
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Everyone that has said "no" ITT: yr wrong, READ A HISTORY BOOK

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Old 05-29-2012, 09:10 PM   #123
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Don't forget to pick out a "modern history" one though.
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:48 PM   #124
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Just out of curiosity what does history have to do with it? If I'm judging the best country in the world I'm looking at present conditions.

I mean the Roman empire was pretty ****ing impressive at the height of its power but I'd rather live in most modern day countries instead.

Could somebody that thinks America is the best country in the world explain what their justification is for that?

This page is kind of cool though: http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/11011111100
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Could somebody that thinks America is the best country in the world explain what their justification is for that?
There are tons of reasons but the only one I need is that we have football.
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